[Alada Vaginah]

It seems the me the biggest issue we have is a mixing of blood.

In almost every other MMO, people go in knowing what to expect. Either they love MMO's or they know what an MMO is and thought it sounded interesting. Even hardcoe Warcraft players went into WoW knowing it would be a completely different experience, since Warcraft was an RTS.

The problem with ESO is that we are mixing people who love MMO's and people who love TES, which is as single player as they come. In my opinion the real issue is all the big TES fans who either don't really like MMO's or just love TES a lot more than they love MMO's, they are coming in and expecting/demanding that ESO basically be just another TES game. They essentially want TES with optional co-op.

This seems disastrous to me if ZOS listens to them too much. Single player RPG's are the exact antithesis of MMO's. We have all these people who want to get basically a single player experience, and seem to not care much about the MMO portion unless they feel up to it.

Problem is, MMO's survive on community. If we have an entire section of the playerbase that is basically not interested in community, how is the game supposed to function properly?

Why can't people who want a single player experience just be happy knowing TES 6 is coming at some point? Why does ESO have to be another game specifically designed just for you. How could you even possibly expect an MMO to be a similar experience to a single player RPG?? They are completely different genres with different rules and strengths.

[Gaelle Courant]

I could just as easily come in and say: "the problem with MMO fans is they are trying to strip away what is unique from the franchise and turn this game into a copy of every other MMO on the market."

Or we could just drop the labels, generalizations, and divisive rhetoric and discuss what we like and dislike about the game.

Second, we could trust the developers to not listen to ardent proponents of one or the other. They've promised a balanced product that appeases both sets of players (who honestly overlap quite a bit.) If something displeases you, maybe talk about that specific feature instead of complaining in broad generalities. That way the devs actually get actionable information and constructive feedback.

[Maria Leon]

well, that's easily solved if we es fans just act and live in ESO as tho we are NPC's and part of the real community of es. allow the mmo crowd to filter in and filter out and leave us to our haven, and then make our requests and desires flourish within our own Gem and Glorious Elvin run planet called Orpg ESO, Tamriel online or whatever name we wish to call it.

its obvious the mmo crowd will be gone within 30 - 60 days anyway so why not just let them have at it and leave us be right now?

[Hope Greenhaw]

high five!

props to you for a better explanation .. good job

[BrEezy Baby]

trust me , it is not wise to pick at a canker sore such as this community has developed about not getting the things we wish in our home ESO!

Outlanders ... we have a reason we call you "Outlanders"

[Kaylee Campbell]

The issue is, what unique aspects of TES can be translated into a Massively Multiplayer world, without damaging the sense of a living community? I am hoping that ZOS will find the perfect balance, but it seems we are basically set up for a large portion of the community being unhappy either way. Some people will complain the game is too difficult to solo and it's unfair that you must work with other players to progress, the other half would complain if the game could be soloed. It just seems this community is naturally more divided than any other MMO community i've ever seen.

In my opinion, the primary goal should definitely be the create a good MMO, and then make it feel as familiar to TES fans as possible without destroying the MMO design. I say this because the genre of this game is MMO and that by it's very nature demands it be fundamentally very different from a single player experience.

[Kyra]

Why is it obvious the MMO crowd will be gone? It seems to me there are millions of MMO fans out there who would like nothing more than to play this game for years. Most people are tired of WoW at this point, and there is a serious lack of other quality MMO's on the market, so there's a huge audience that is just begging to throw money at ZOS if they can create an MMO world worth living in for a while.

[Add Meeh]

Its going to take compromising from both sides, the MMO fans and the TES fans

[Hope Greenhaw]

Maybe because we've been http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/78291/The+Elder+Scrolls+Online+-+Game+Director+Interview/ that this one will be different?

[lucy chadwick]

. you are persistant.

if they removed the alliances and allowed us to roam as we wanted to I bet a huge portion of the eso crowd would come to agreement.

in our world there has allways been struggle and disappointment and at our core .. we see division. that will not go away. its part of our world and has allways been this way.

[Amysaurusrex]

But failing to be true to the IP is probably a worse crime than failing to be an "MMO" because that's just a set of expectations based on past games that don't have bearing on this one.

Since you mainly seem to be concerned about whether it can be soloed, thats only the main quest. You'll need to group for dungeons and PvP. And they have confirmed that grouping, even in the main story, has benefits like increased experience.

Plus people will want to play together because its fun.

[Ana]

I highly doubt any one of us es fans will push away the mmo crowd and wow crowd .. my point is they don't like es culture and world and never will .. they themselves as outlanders woill leave on their own, and by their own devices and dislike of our world in eso.

[Kayla Bee]

That to me is the main problem with TESO right now (Besides the price model). It sounds more like a WOW clone then a TES MMO game. It should be a hybrid of both leaning a little more towards TES and not just towards one genre.

[Helen Quill]

wait a moment,

2 things about your statement are not realy true.

A) I personally have nothing against the wow crowd or any other mmo crowd and will not be doing anything to deter or drive them away, they themselves as a group do not like us nor our game ... and have made comments and dislikes about us as a people and all of our game mechanics including the payment plan. they have even gone to all of the eso media outlets like FB, and twitter, and youtube and even our personal fan made guild forums, and here on the Bethesda forums to make complaints about us and the game to make changes in their ways and things their used to from their own mmo's (wow is just 1 example, their are many other mmo's)

when eso was 1st created was immediately after the release of Oblivion .. which I think was in 2005 - 2006 ish -- I don't know for sure when wow began but I can assure you eso is deffinately not a wow clone -- mainly because it was conceived long before wow came into the postion of greatness that it became, and what can be seen of it today.

[Tom Flanagan]

In what ways, specifically, does it sound more like a WoW clone in your opinion?

[D IV]

Man this topic has been debated so much... first thing they said they're gonna take this game to new bold direction. Also we get ES6 later, SKyrim was simply too huge success, no-one is forcing you to play this. Hell, if asked from me, ESO and SKyrim success could mean Bethesda might open even own studio for ES.

[how solid]

And you're a great example of why I think the OP is wrong. He's convinced they are ignoring the MMO and focusing on the TES. You're convinced they are ignoring the TES and focusing on the MMO.

Personally, I think it looks like a TES game with several MMO features. I'm confident that both player bases (as well as the tons of players who fall in both groups) will be pleased.

But until you play the game you can't know for sure. Until then, the best bet is to talk about specific features that you like/dislike. This meta discussion is hard to have when you haven't experienced the full product.

[Jesus Lopez]

While I'm certain that we will indeed get TES 6 one day, there was a time when I was equally certain that we would get Warcraft 4 as well. Making a MMO out of the Warcraft IP seems to have changed that.

[Annick Charron]

WoW isn't keeping them from making Warcraft 4, Starcraft is. They have little interest in competing with themselves.

[Peter P Canning]

if all mmo's can now be played on consoles then what is the future for single player games?

we may see our es6 and other singleplayer games fade away?

what is the future of gaming? consoles have allways been behind PC. now that console is about caught up what is going to happen ?

[Josh Dagreat]

But isn't that because the same people who made Warcraft made WoW? Why would they sink a bunch of money into creating a new company to make ESO? And then why would those guys set the game in the past if there wasn't going to be anymore TES games?

Anyway back on topic. I feel like the "MMO crowd" and the "TES crowd" aren't as distinct and separate as people make them out to be. There's a lot more overlap and wiggle room.

[SexyPimpAss]

I'm all for a well-balanced game the both parties can agree on.

Also, you shouldn't be surprised that most of those doing the whining are the TES kids; a single player rpg fan is all about the "single player".

[Oyuki Manson Lavey]

I wasn't trying to seriously suggest that there wouldn't be a TES 6, in fact I explicitly stated I was certain there would be. Bethesda would be insane not to make one. It was meant to be one of those ominous 'don't count your eggs' kind of warnings that I meant more as a joke and didn't expect to be taken very seriously.

My apologies for the distraction.

I am, however, one who is firmly in the camp of 'TES crowd'. I've yet to play a MMORPG that I've liked well enough to stick with for long, I simply don't seem to care for them. The only MMO I regularly play is Planetside 2, which is a completely different sort of monster.

[John Moore]

Actually it isn't either. Blizzard doesn't make games on the 1-2 year rinse, repeat, release cycle. Except possibly WoW expansions, but that is a different team. the [Warcraft/Starcraft/Diablo] X generally at least double the time between one iteration of its franchise and the next, largely because their games persist a lot longer than is normal for the industry, warcraft 1-> warcraft 2 being an exception.

It took 6 years for warcraft 3 to happen after warcraft 2, 12 years between starcraft and starcraft 2, and 12 between D2 and D3. Warcraft 4 will probably happen somewhere around 2015 or 2016.

[Dina Boudreau]

us kids from age 1 to 100. aren't we all just kids playing with virtual toys?

we are es community, very good stock! .. ill quote what the Nords used to say in Morrowind

"Your on your Honor! DONT Press your Luck!

and then again in skyrim they said

"a True Nord Never backs down from a Fight!"

they love a challenge!

we are a good set community that has been raised on good foundation with wealth, great strength, respect and good peoples! .. we don't have any desire to be plowed over by a bad peoples raised on bad concepts. and we certainly wont accept harassment and batterings. eso developers are going to give out quality help to block es community from bad things! of that I can assure you.