The 3 Factions, They've Already Showed Us! Don't you see?

Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:45 pm



Or it's asinine and a total retcon for the sake of sales and convenience.

I've played all 5 main TES games. I see no retcons or lore screw ups here. Fully fits the lore even. It's not like there's never ever been examples of these races or factions within them working with other races. Plus unlike say Fallout lore I wouldn't take even half the lore as truth as that's how it's made. Lies, differing opinions, etc. abound. Yes it also gives leeway to devs. Something every RPG franchise maker has utilized. Not to mentiom BGS is only slightly involved with this, their not even making the game. Another Zenimax/Bethesda Softworks internal studio is. And speaking of leeways, que how this is set 1,000 years before TES V.

If your looking for a bag full of retcons it was Daggerfall to Morrowind.

Of coarse in a smaller scale you could say that about Fallout 2, and add what I quoted of you to also appy to it.

So are you equating Elder Scrolls Online to Fallout 2?!?!?!? ARE YOU?!?

(Sarcasm)

But no I see no issues. Also...the point of any Entertainment product made is to be sold and made a profit upon. RPG video games included. Not to mention it's been in production for either at or over half a decade.

At this rate Van Buren would of been more of a cash in than this.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 5:10 am

Besides, the Dunmer will never ally with anyone during the second era. I mean who needs allies when you have 3 gods on your side?

Hah, very true. It took the entire might of the unified empire to negotiate a peace with Vivec. The Dunmer don't need to take crap from anyone.

Anyway... I feel like this could be done right. But it can't be fudged. The fact that these races all hate each other could make for some really interesting intra-faction conflicts and storylines, which is something most MMOs don't tend to do. But if they make everyone love each other and hate only the other factions... well, then we have problems.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:52 am

I've played all 5 main TES games. I see no retcons or lore screw ups here. Fully fits the lore even. It's not like there's never ever been examples of these races or factions within them working with other races. Plus unlike say Fallout lore I wouldn't take even half the lore as truth as that's how it's made. Lies, differing opinions, etc. abound. Yes it also gives leeway to devs. Something every RPG franchise maker has utilized. Not to mentiom BGS is only slightly involved with this, their not even making the game. Another Zenimax/Bethesda Softworks internal studio is. And speaking of leeways, que how this is set 1,000 years before TES V.

If your looking for a bag full of retcons it was Daggerfall to Morrowind.

Of coarse in a smaller scale you could say that about Fallout 2, and add what I quoted of you to also appy to it.

So are you equating Elder Scrolls Online to Fallout 2?!?!?!? ARE YOU?!?

(Sarcasm)

But no I see no issues. Also...the point of any Entertainment product made is to be sold and made a profit upon. RPG video games included. Not to mention it's been in production for either at or over half a decade.

At this rate Van Buren would of been more of a cash in than this.

You seem to have mistaken me for a hardcoe Fallout fan when I'm actually just some guy who played Bethesda games and loved them until Obsidian showed me something better.

I suppose I COULD bother to defend Fallout (which I bet I could) but honestly I don't care. I'm focused on the fact that I'm convinced TES is currently being written by a team of Bonobo apes.

Anyways, no retconning in TES? Are you serious?

-Werebears
-Redguards hate magic DID WE SAY REDGUARD? WE MEANT THEY LOVE IT AND NORDS HATE IT
-Imperials are charming DID WE SAY IMPERIALS WE MEANT BRETONS AND NORDS
-The vampire race specific to Skyrim
-Sheogorath and Jyggalag
-This


Listen, you could TECHNICALLY argue no lore is being broken here, but it's still awkward as hell. Like we're literally talking about races going from being enemies to being allies to being enemies again in a very short period of time, with the future generations of these races referring to the hate between them and others as if it has always been.
That's still sloppy. More importantly, it's frustrating to fans because we can't rely on a single damn thing that's said. One day they tell us Redguard hate magic, the next, they're in like third or fourth place for utilizing magic the most. Why bother learning the lore if they're not gonna take it serious?

And that's the point I'm at, really. I mean, if I took a history exam on the American revolution and then got a D because the teacher failed to mention that in the middle of the Revolution, the Americans and the British teamed up to kill Mars, God of War, then yes I'm gonna be pretty ticked that she failed to mention that.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:47 pm

Hah, very true. It took the entire might of the unified empire to negotiate a peace with Vivec. The Dunmer don't need to take crap from anyone.

Anyway... I feel like this could be done right. But it can't be fudged. The fact that these races all hate each other could make for some really interesting intra-faction conflicts and storylines, which is something most MMOs don't tend to do. But if they make everyone love each other and hate only the other factions... well, then we have problems.
hopefully this is just a reason to create political tensio within the factions borders...
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:43 am

You seem to have mistaken me for a hardcoe Fallout fan when I'm actually just some guy who played Bethesda games and loved them until Obsidian showed me something better.

I suppose I COULD bother to defend Fallout (which I bet I could) but honestly I don't care. I'm focused on the fact that I'm convinced TES is currently being written by a team of Bonobo apes.

Anyways, no retconning in TES? Are you serious?

-Werebears
-Redguards hate magic DID WE SAY REDGUARD? WE MEANT THEY LOVE IT AND NORDS HATE IT
-Imperials are charming DID WE SAY IMPERIALS WE MEANT BRETONS AND NORDS
-The vampire race specific to Skyrim
-Sheogorath and Jyggalag
-This


Listen, you could TECHNICALLY argue no lore is being broken here, but it's still awkward as hell. Like we're literally talking about races going from being enemies to being allies to being enemies again in a very short period of time, with the future generations of these races referring to the hate between them and others as if it has always been.
That's still sloppy. More importantly, it's frustrating to fans because we can't rely on a single damn thing that's said. One day they tell us Redguard hate magic, the next, they're in like third or fourth place for utilizing magic the most. Why bother learning the lore if they're not gonna take it serious?

And that's the point I'm at, really. I mean, if I took a history exam on the American revolution and then got a D because the teacher failed to mention that in the middle of the Revolution, the Americans and the British teamed up to kill Mars, God of War, then yes I'm gonna be pretty ticked that she failed to mention that.
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Quite right, it would make more sense for the Nords to ally themselves with the Bretons than the dunmer and argonians.
And with the Tribunal in power, Morrowind has no need for allies, especialy with beast races that they use as slaves!
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:54 am

Quite right, it would make more sense for the Nords to ally themselves with the Bretons than the dunmer and argonians.
And with the Tribunal in power, Morrowind has no need for allies, especialy with beast races that they use as slaves!

And the argonians allying the dunmer is completely asinine. Those dudes keep you as slaves....
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:30 am

Beth wrote the lore, guess they can screw with it and break It as much as they want. The only major problem I see here is the imminent rapid emperor changes. I dont recall there being 9001 changes of power around that time period.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 3:32 am

Hahahaha


This is going to turn out great, you can really tell.
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 7:48 am

Frankly, I don't give a damn who or what the predefined factions are as long as I can go off and make my own faction.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 10:35 pm

Where the hell are the Imperials?
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Post » Mon May 14, 2012 1:37 am

The Imperial are also the "Evil" scheeming with the double player Mannimarco to take over the world...whoch they did anyway. BUT BEHOLD! Mannimarco is also scheming with Molag Bal behing the imperials back to take...over the world.....I cant believe this is real.
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Post » Sun May 13, 2012 6:33 pm

If you are forced into a faction instead of it being open-world I won't be playing.

Why can't they see, all's they really need to do is add a mmo aspect to Skyrim, don't change anything.
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