The Hero of Cyrodiil COULD be mentioned in Skyrim : V - Skyrim

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:31 am

They talked a lot about trouble in the Summerset Isles in both- I kept waiting for a Summerset Isles Expansion or for that to be the next game. ^_^

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Meh.. i expect summerset isle always has issues considering it is run by the altmer

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:02 am

sorry it doesn't work that way. well the hero of crocodiles never became sheogorath but the champion of cyrodiil becomes whatever the lore writers wan't it (yes it) to be.

Yes this is quite true.

» Mon May 07, 2012 7:37 am

sorry it doesn't work that way. well the hero of crocodiles never became sheogorath but the champion of cyrodiil becomes whatever the lore writers wan't it (yes it) to be.

That's fine

Where in the lore does it say the Champion of Crocodiles became Sheogorath? I keep asking...

Firstly, I don't believe the player ever became a daedric prince. the nuts in that asylum may all think you are, but I don't think you are

Secondly, does the Lore say that the Champion became Sheogorath?

» Mon May 07, 2012 11:30 am

I have seen a lot of people post arguments about whether or not the Hero of Cyrodiil will be heard from in Skyrim.

That justifies my post for me at least.

I believe that most people say that the CoC cannot be distinguished in race, gender or class. But can be mentioned as a person, a Hero.

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:15 am

Meh.. i expect summerset isle always has issues considering it is run by the altmer

Yes.. According to what I have heard in-game, apparantly they worship the Daedra a lot more in the Summerset Isles.

Perhaps they have some kind of secret alliance with particular Daedric Princes- they may have even expanded some of their people into Daedric realms. (just my imagination going on here)

Otherwise.. I've never actually been all that bothered by the Altmer. But I may be prejudiced as my first morrowind character was a High Elf.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:09 am

No, not by MY logic at least. You are linking OB and SI together as a single entity, making one happen if the other happened

Is it canon that the Champion of Cyrodiil became Sheogorath?

that's my question. The Oblivion crisis is not dependent on what happens in SI

I think it is canon, and the events of Morrowind's expansions are also canon. For example, in Oblivion, you can hear NPCs talk about Solstheim, which doesn't even appear on maps before Bloodmoon. We'll have to wait and see if Skyrim does anything similar with Shivering Isles.

» Mon May 07, 2012 12:07 pm

By that logic what if I bought Oblivion and never beat it? What if I just went around exploring and let Kvatch burn forever? BAM, Oblivion crisis was never fixed. It's canon. Oblivion crisis ended the world, Cyrodiil no longer exists.

Unless someone else became the champion of Cyrodiil, it is not a 100% definite fact that the champion of Cyrodiil also became Sheogorath. Same as how I doubt they'll have books in Skyrim about the champion of Cyrodiil being the archmage and leader of the fighter's guild.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:38 am

Unless someone else became the champion of Cyrodiil, it is not a 100% definite fact that the champion of Cyrodiil also became Sheogorath. Same as how I doubt they'll have books in Skyrim about the champion of Cyrodiil being the archmage and leader of the fighter's guild.

The Guilds are side-quests-- The Expansion pack is a main quest. I think that is the difference here.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:22 am

Well, we will have to see, because the player had nowhere near the powers of Sheogorath. Couldn't even grow a beard without mods

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:08 am

Well, we will have to see, because the player had nowhere near the powers of Sheogorath. Couldn't even grow a beard without mods

Yes indeed.

Arguably those were simply gameplay limitations though. ^_^

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You could make it rain CHEESE!

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:19 am

Yes.. According to what I have heard in-game, apparantly they worship the Daedra a lot more in the Summerset Isles.

Perhaps they have some kind of secret alliance with particular Daedric Princes- they may have even expanded some of their people into Daedric realms. (just my imagination going on here)

Otherwise.. I've never actually been all that bothered by the Altmer. But I may be prejudiced as my first morrowind character was a High Elf.

i meant they'd likely have trouble because they're all pretentious snobs... but yeah you got a point

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:49 am

i meant they'd likely have trouble because they're all pretentious snobs... but yeah you got a point

Yes I knoww~

Somehow I find it to be endearing LOL

» Mon May 07, 2012 7:16 am

No, not quite

YOU may have played SI, and YOU may have become Sheogorath

What if I never bought SI? What if I started it and never finished it because I didn't like it? The Hero of Crocodiles never became Sheogorath in that case

Becoming Sheogorath is canon they put out the add on allowing us to live more of the CoC's life you could chose to play it or not but it happened. They wouldn't make an add on and then say sorry that didn't really happen we just thought it might be fun. SI was a basically a continuation of the mq. It's similar to broken steel in fallout three...after that came out it was canon that you survived the end.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:23 am

Becoming Sheogorath is canon they put out the add on allowing us to live more of the CoC's life you could chose to play it or not but it happened. They wouldn't make an add on and then say sorry that didn't really happen we just thought it might be fun. SI was a basically a continuation of the mq. It's similar to broken steel in fallout three...after that came out it was canon that you survived the end.

I concur!

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:55 am

Becoming Sheogorath is canon they put out the add on allowing us to live more of the CoC's life you could chose to play it or not but it happened. They wouldn't make an add on and then say sorry that didn't really happen we just thought it might be fun. SI was a basically a continuation of the mq. It's similar to broken steel in fallout three...after that came out it was canon that you survived the end.

I have said this before in this very thread-

That's fine

Where does it say this in the Lore? Show me the canon. I am asking

» Mon May 07, 2012 12:59 pm

I have said this before in this very thread-

That's fine

Where does it say this in the Lore? Show me the canon. I am asking

http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Hero_of_Kvatch (read after the oblivion crisis.)

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:38 pm

I have said this before in this very thread-

That's fine

Where does it say this in the Lore? Show me the canon. I am asking

Well, if you are referring to (in-game) BOOKS-

Being that we haven't actually gone past Oblivion yet.. there wouldn't actually have been any time for any books to have been written.. if thats what you mean by 'canon'. Just as there are no books about the Champion of Cyrodiil aiding Martin in defeating Mehrunes Dagon. But it still happened.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:38 am

i can tell you that what i did in Oblivion would not just be ignored, i expect a book at least about my journey.

» Mon May 07, 2012 7:34 am

The main question about the whole SI thing is not really if its canon , but if he really got the powers of the daedric god? if he didnt become immortal then whether or not is canon doesnt effect whether he will be sheogorath during skyrim the issue is the time frame

» Mon May 07, 2012 12:32 pm

Unless someone else became the champion of Cyrodiil, it is not a 100% definite fact that the champion of Cyrodiil also became Sheogorath. Same as how I doubt they'll have books in Skyrim about the champion of Cyrodiil being the archmage and leader of the fighter's guild.

Probably needs to be with the mage quests anyways, Manimarco is a major player (demigod), and was killed by the Hero of Kvatch after arch mage Traven's sacrifice. That's plot line is a little hard to ignore.
I'd also add that the Hero of Kvatch was probably a Breton Sorcerer, as that combination would have the best chance of dealing with Oblivion when looking at skill bonuses and racial background.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:21 am

I was worried about Nerevarine in Oblivion, but hero of cyrodiil?
Nah, i dont care about that guy at all.
In Oblivion we played a 2nd role, true hero was Martin Sepim.

PS I mean i still worried about Nerevarine, his is immortal and we may hear about him in Skyrim.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:45 am

The main question about the whole SI thing is not really if its canon , but if he really got the powers of the daedric god? if he didnt become immortal then whether or not is canon doesnt effect whether he will be sheogorath during skyrim the issue is the time frame

This is true.

I imagine that it is possible for it to go multiple ways. Depends on what the writers want to do.

Would be entirely possible for him to eventually gain the ability to become a full Daedric Prince- or at least a being of equal power. He may also simply die of old age (or madness). He may simply find a way to become ageless, as well- after all, he DOES have that old librarian of Order who basically knows everything.