Anybody else find it ironic that the Nords are the ones helping the Argonians and Dunmer? I also find it ironic that the Imperials are unplayable and apparently antagonists. Wonder how Empire supporters are viewing this.

Yeah, I've always played as an imperial...
Also I got a kick out of that too, Nords and Dunmer on the same side.

Why do I get the feeling that this an attempt to troll all the Empire supporters.

Meh, in WWII you had the United States allying with Russia of all countries, and Germany allying with Japan. What I really don't get is the Argonians allying with the Dunmer.

The Hist's long-term plans are unkowable.

Why ally with the dunmer you ask?

Why take over a small portion of dunmer land and just sit there not doing anything with it or trying to take more after the red year?

The Hist's actions have never been understandable.

God, the Nords and Dunmer have many reasons to make an alliance. They have done it before and they both respect each other. At least Redoran and Indoril respect the Nords while the Nords respect the Dunmer warrior. Not all or even most Nords really hate Mer with a blind passion. Neither do most Dunmer despise every non-Dunmer.

If two nations have a need for concern because of other rising powers a tentative alliance is not all that surprising. Though granted the alliances that formed themselves are shocking on a number of levels, at least initially.

The Argonians are most likely a slave state. That is what Black Marsh was at this time with hordes of Imperial Warlords holding much territory in Black Marsh after the 2nd Empires collapse and Banditry holding sway. Morrowind had a lot of presence in Black Marsh at this time as well as this was probably the heaviest round of slave nabbing in Morrowinds History. So that part of the alliance is probably more of a servant and master relationship unfortunately.

I would think the Argonian/dunmer alliance wouldn't be a slave-state.

If anything the Hist bartered some deal with the Tribunal

Nords are very racist. I guess lore gets bent into game mechanics.

I dont find the backstory very compelling. What they did was to create the framework of the game, which really didnt require much thought because it was DAOC, and then they just warped the lore to fit it. Very lame and it reminds me of Battlespire years ago.

I edited in a probably.

However that is also a likely possibility as well though it doesn't change the chaotic and subdued state of Black marsh at this time. Maybe as a show of mutual interest at least the Dunmer(maybe the Nords too) helped oust the imperial warlords from Black Marshto solidly the Ebonheart pact?

All I can tell from this is Morrowind is sitting real pretty now with two buffer states between itself and the two other factions leaving it capable of concentrating all its might on stopping the Imperials, Molag Bal as well as Mannimarco.

Really Morrowinds reason for the alliance become pretty damned obvious right there.

Something I don't quite get is that the Tribunal are at the height of their power. A Daedric Prince is a laughable threat to all three of them combined and an even match individually. How is Molag Bal getting away with this? The most powerful beings in Tamriel at this time ARE the Tribunal as far as we know. Unless someone wants to mention an alternative.

If it turned out as good as DAOC with TES world/Lore wrapped around it i would be verry happy. Just saying.

Molag Bal himself isnt like rampaging in the mortal realm, hes sitting in coldharbor sending chains to drag Tamriel in. If he was summoned to the mortal realm then yeah the Tribunal would whoop his ass.

Also this is probably another one of Vivec's CHIM things were he doesn't do anything on purpose, like he pruposfully left that moon floating above his city knowing full well one day it would fall down and blow up the city, becuase of some "it needs to happen" thing.

Racism is a very cultural thing, and cultures change constantly. With the Nords, because their religion is being oppressed due to the White Gold Concordant they have turned very inward and are rejecting everything that comes from the outside.
Their cultural identity is being oppressed by an outside force, so they reject all outside forces.

For a historical example, Germany wasn't any more racist that the other nations around them, however before the second world war their economy collapsed and there was a great crisis. And as human nature goes, people always look for something to blame, and usually blame it on something that they cannot identify with or doesn't fit in their world view at that time.
Look at the Netherlands for example. In the past they have welcomed many outsider and gave them a home. However now over the past few years there have been many racially motivated politicians in The Netherlands. And also people paid more attention to them.
This is a sudden cultural shift, and with that also comes different values for some people.

Wich era does this game take place in? :/ was it first or start of the second?

500ish years into the second Era

sometime after 2E 431 but before 2E 852

Ulfric Stormcloak is very racist.

Ulfric Stormcloak is not all Nords.

Unless there is some Nord lore that I am missing....

Dude. "Unlikely alliances will be forged" is a tagline for the game And in the era this game takes place the Empire does not exist yet.

I find it ironic that when Fallout 3 was changed by Bethesda we older Fallout fans didn't get squat, we didn't get to keep our Black Isle or old Interplay to make real Fallout games.
Now TESO is coming out and ES fans are freaking out, despite the fact that they still get to keep their developer, BGS, on the main series.

So:
Fallout 3 comes out, older fans doesn't get to keep their original game formula in the main series.
TESO comes out, but older fans get to keep their original game formula in the main s4eries.


I know this is offtopic but I've had this on my mind ever since I first heard the feedback of TESO and since this thread was titled "Oh the irony" I thought it would be fitting.

Is this before or after the Nords invade Morrowind? Thanks for confirming that I definitely shouldn't be wasting money on this.

I think it would be after, but there are plenty of lore reasons why it makes sense.

But then again most people dont know much about the lore.

Guess that answers my question

Was a kick in the teeth, considering I'm an Imperial player on pretty much every long-term character I've made.

Just be a Nord. It is very similar. You can just customize your PC a bit to be an Imperial. However we do not KNOW Imperials are not playable. They might be the neutral party. Could be possible though unlikely.

I've decided I'll probably end up playing in the Daggerfall Covenant. As long as it remains that there are no playable Imperials I'll probably end up playing an orc.

Might as well go for a change of scenery. : p

If the Argonians are still slaves of the Dunmer, then it makes sense. Dunmer coming into battle with their slaves. America used to do that too.

Nords being there makes no sense though.

Nords teamed up with dunmer before

Also Argonians are led by The hist and would do anything they say, including alliying with the dunmer