The Originality Test Thread, aka How Derivative is your Imag

Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:05 pm

Ever have a moment (as a writer, modder or artist more generally) where you have a setting or story concept pop into your head and just take over the place? As in, the epiphany the writers of Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter had (not).

And then you turn it into an IP that breaks best-seller records and makes you millions (again, though, probably not), only to have some [censored] sue you for plagiarism because your idea was coincidentally similar to a much older, far inferior work of the same genre?

Ok, I'll stop fooling around.

In This Thread, you post your creative ideas, and other forumers post existing works of fiction that use very similar concepts, likely executing them in superior ways and crushing your dreams.

I'll start:

I had a sudden idea about a post-apocalyptic survival story surrounding the inhabitants of a zeppelin. The apocalypse in question is more of the SHTF scenario that survivalists jack off to, with warfare reverted to WWI tactics as a weaponized space station malfunctions and spams the Earth with EMP, destroying all electronics. Meanwhile, rural society reverts to something like the Wild West or Middle Ages, with better guns and more bandits. This is just background stuff.

To escape all this, the characters live on a luxury airliner zeppelin. They have retrofitted the cabins and crew compartment as their home, and they crisscross the globe, finding remote spots to descend and scavenge food and supplies. They need to make a return on commerce in order to buy helium, hydrogen (if desperate) and fuel. The zeppelin itself is fitted with sails and has multiple airbag compartments. Bandits like to take potshots at it, so the crew has to climb up the side of the thing to plug holes. For this purpose the whole thing is draqed over with cargo nets for climbing, which the crew do fearlessly, even hanging upside down. They use hot air balloons for quick descent and travel and even have an ultralite and crop duster that can land on top via arresting cables. They grow crops in the sky by hanging agricultural plot platforms on ropes. They tend the soil by dropping low enough to dip the soil in freshwater lakes, sometimes floating on the surface for periods of time. They have to constantly manage the gasses that keep them aloft, the fuel that keeps them traveling any other than downwind, and food and water, of course. They can go anywhere they want, but descending is always a risk because of hostile villagers, marauders, troops, etc. They can always climb out of sight, and there are few aircraft that take to the air without electronics, but a big enough AA gun could bring them crashing down. It's a lighthearted sort of apocalypse, all in all, because of their ability to live above the turmoil of the surface world, to some extent.

So that's that. Any strikingly similar airship stories floating around? I haven't come across many.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 5:23 pm

In This Thread, you post your creative ideas, and other forumers post existing works of fiction that use very similar concepts, likely executing them in superior ways and crushing your dreams.

...no.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:55 pm

There's this school for witches and wizards, okay. And it's divided into four houses. And this kid with a scar goes there, and does stuff, and gets in fights with this evil guy who killed his parents.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:29 am

...no.

Ivan Turgenev, Fathers and Sons
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Sunny Under
 
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:11 am

Originality is an illusion.
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Tracey Duncan
 
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:28 pm

Originality is an illusion.

How is it an illusion? If I came up with something, I came up with it.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:28 am

How is it an illusion? If I came up with something, I came up with it.
The Human imagionation is always making comparisons and forming ideas based on our experiences in life. Nothing is ever truly 100% unique.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:15 pm

How is it an illusion? If I came up with something, I came up with it.

I don't think originality means coming up with an idea on your own, more like being the first to come up with one. Or do I have that backwards?
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:14 pm

The Human imagionation is always making comparisons and forming ideas based on our experiences in life. Nothing is ever truly 100% unique.

Douglas Hofstadter would say that making comparisons is all we ever really do.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:09 am

Douglas Hofstadter would say that making comparisons is all we ever really do.
It is. We can not think beyond ourselves and what we know, or think we know, so all we can do is compare and contrast that which we have experienced at some point or another.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:43 am

Ivan Turgenev, Fathers and Sons
You win five times.

Originality is an illusion.
Then don't post anything in the thread.

But I knew this would come up sooner or later (my thread title is pretty openly baiting it, so I'll go off on your post).

You're wrong. The world is full of strikingly creative ideas that make you wonder at the mind that brought such elements together. The word originality exists for a reason.

And you're right. We're incapable of creating any thought that isn't made out of the sinews of other thoughts, and this thread is designed to let fresh eyes call us out when we create ideas that are shallowly derivative on our own experience, all without realizing it. More likely though, it's for vetting ideas to make sure that others in our common creative community of fiction tropes and cultural concepts haven't come up with something of the same lineage. Who wants to write an adventure story about anthropomorphic cats in Ancient Egypt if someone else has already created not just the same setting, but used it to deconstruct human ideas of religion at the same time. Damn spoilsports.

Short version: I'm sick of writing fan fiction and aren't about to dishonestly venerate Tolkien ripoffery as valid art because originality doesn't exist.

And HI PEOPLE, I tried to make a fun little game out of this thread as an afterthought, but the real purpose is vetting the idea in the OP. Seriously, any other realistic post-apocalyptic zeppelin stories around here? I'd be shocked if anime didn't have something like that, but anime doesn't count.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:11 am

A time traveling cyborg cat goes back in time to prevent the death of it's great great great grandfather set in the time of 2016.
Some dogs are involved.
Death everywhere with lots of neck snapping.
It ends with the cyborg cat realizing it was a iPad 5 that was left in a restaurant that was taken apart and posted on a blog.
Morgan Freeman narrates how inhumane people are just before the credit role.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:14 pm

Ivan Turgenev, Fathers and Sons

Bazarov wouldn't approve of this thread.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:21 pm

Not only has everything I've written so far been very similar to something already written, but some names that I've come up with on my own already used. One is even the title of a series of novels, and it's a name I created myself.

It's so frustrating. I finally realized that at this point no matter what you do, no matter what you write or create, it will be similar to something already done or written. There's just too much out there; everything's been done.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:18 am

The human imagination is very unique. Some people can't even tell what is real and what is imaginary. But maybe I'm imaginary. Solipsism.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:31 pm

A planet in the shape of a cube is populated by a species of sentient cucumbers. These cucumbers are afflicted with an unfortunate condition causing them to explode if they become too excited, showering everyone around them with bits of cucumber. The cucumber-people divide into two tribes. The first tribe deals with their affliction by leading a life of quiet contemplation. The second tribe takes to pickling themselves, which somehow cures the explosive disorder. It has the unfortunate side effect of making them stink terribly, but since cucumbers don't have noses, it's not a terrible problem. At least not at first.

Soon, however, the stink draws the attention of a hungry giant space schnauzer, who lands on their cube-planet and devours all of the cucumber people, pickled and unpickled alike. The space schnauzer then breaks wind and flies back into the stars.

The story ends with beach-balls raining from the sky on the cube planet, but there are no sentient cucumbers left to enjoy the spectacle.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 8:32 pm

There's just too much out there; everything's been done.
That's not true. But despite my OP, I don't think it's worthwhile chasing absolute novelty.

That's not actually the purpose here. Finding another idea about a zeppelin doesn't actually make my own any less original, depending on the lineage of the idea. Bioshock Infinite, for example, has no bearing on this. And depending on the execution of a very similar idea, it might not bother me either. It's just that some preexisting fiction could make your latter-day version unnecessary, by taking a similar idea to a deeper and better conclusion, realizing it more fully. I don't mind taking an old car down a new road; I mind taking an old car half as far down the same old road.

But your sig is hilarious.

Edit: And I pretty clearly didn't post anything designed to be off-the-wall and unique.
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:47 pm

A time traveling cyborg cat goes back in time to prevent the death of it's great great great grandfather set in the time of 2016.
Some dogs are involved.
Death everywhere with lots of neck snapping.
It ends with the cyborg cat realizing it was a iPad 5 that was left in a restaurant that was taken apart and posted on a blog.
Morgan Freeman narrates how inhumane people are just before the credit role.

Harry potter, JK Rowling.

I found the similarity.
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Post » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:15 am

Then don't post anything in the thread.
You have no authority to dictate who can and can not post in threads. As long as its on topic, I can post whatever I want. Given the topic of origionality, my post is perfectly acceptable.



You're wrong. The world is full of strikingly creative ideas that make you wonder at the mind that brought such elements together. The word originality exists for a reason.
Then name one truly original idea and watch it be ripped apart down to its core components. Not even the wheel is safe.

And you're right. We're incapable of creating any thought that isn't made out of the sinews of other thoughts, and this thread is designed to let fresh eyes call us out when we create ideas that are shallowly derivative on our own experience, all without realizing it.
Then then what is needed is to go into every situation knowing every idea you have isn't original, but continue anyway. We all discover things for ourselves, so unoriginality is never a reason to not do something

I'd be shocked if anime didn't have something like that, but anime doesn't count.
Why doesn't anime count?
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Post » Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:13 pm

Harry potter, JK Rowling.

I found the similarity.
The correct answer was Toonces.
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