The reason Morrowind and Oblivion lost their fun

Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:20 pm

was because the games allowed a player to become so powerful that their was no longer any challenge. I just bought Skyrim during the Steam summer sale and I though I'd ask the question here to avoid more dissapointment later. Is the op character an issue in Skyrim?
While playing Oblivion and Morrowind it just happened, I didn't try to become LOLOP, it just happened. Will this happen to me in Skyrim as well?
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Andrew Perry
 
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:41 am

If you Power-Game , you get OP everywhere.
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Alexander Horton
 
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:47 am

Didn't happen to me in vanilla Oblivion.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:55 am

Didn't happen to me in vanilla Oblivion.

Didn't happen to me in Daggerfall , Morrowind , Oblivion , Skyrim
You know why ?
Because I am not a Power-Gamer.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:45 am

Never have I once became overpowered.
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Nancy RIP
 
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:10 am

Didn't happen to me in Daggerfall , Morrowind , Oblivion , Skyrim
You know why ?
Because I am not a Power-Gamer.
Compared to you, everyone is a power gamer.
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Post » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:45 pm

Compared to you, everyone is a power gamer.

Anyone who is a hardcoe Role-Player isn't a Power-Gamer :D
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:04 am

Yes, you still become godlike in Skyrim if you choose to max all of your skills and use enchant/alchemy/smithing to produce uber weapons.
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Post » Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:55 pm

Well it is kind of easy to become over powered in this game. For example, with smithing and a high one handed skill while duel wielding I pretty much cut anything down with one duel power attack, with the just a hand full of exceptions. With that in mind, stamina is limited so I have to pick who needs to die first to make my life easier. Even at the defense cap you don't want to do something silly like attack 3 giants at once and get hit by their running power attacks back to back. Also bosses can still mess you up.

I haven't put anything into magic defense to mages are my bane, but that’s on purpose. I’ve hand max magic defense too through items and at that point you can just steam roll anything within reason (8 angry mages is still not fun). If you don’t want to be overpowered in this game I feel you have to work at it a bit.

All that means is don’t try to be the master of everything.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:40 am

Actually I'm already feeling pretty over powered.. I'm just using One-Handed/Destruction/Alteration/Restoration and sometimes Conjuration, wear steel armor and have never used any of the three crafting skills// I even threw away all my potions for a better challenge but even then it's pretty easy (I'm around lvl 30)
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:31 am

Yes, you still become godlike in Skyrim if you choose to max all of your skills and use enchant/alchemy/smithing to produce uber weapons.
Exactly. Just think about the gameplay ramifications before you do it.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:56 am

Actually I'm already feeling pretty over powered.. I'm just using One-Handed/Destruction/Alteration/Restoration and sometimes Conjuration, wear steel armor and have never used any of the three crafting skills// I even threw away all my potions for a better challenge but even then it's pretty easy (I'm around lvl 30)
Yeah, I think even the Devs have said the sweet spot is around level 24. After that you begin transcending what a lot of what the game can dish out.
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Post » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:13 pm

To avoid being overpowered, don't put points into health, don't get the impact perk, and don't be a sneaky archer.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:38 am

To avoid being overpowered, don't put points into health, don't get the impact perk, and don't be a sneaky archer.
That would work, but then that also feels like your being overly hard on yourself. Except for the the archer thing, you can be a very do non stealth archer with time. Hunting a lot of wild animals before attack people.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:29 am

Just like in all the TES games I've played.. I'm not overpowered. In Oblivion sure I could one hit a few things but I was also the guy that saved the world.. so I probably should be able to do that to a few things. Skyrim is the same thing. I kill dragons, so a low level bandit should fall to my sword quite quickly.

I never have felt over powered in any of my games. Well, except when for fun I built my Daedric Sword of Pain in the CK and had insane fire damage plus like 300 damage. I felt over powered then. :P But I just grab that up when I want to goof around. :D
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:17 am

If you don't want to become overpowered, then don't use most of the skills.
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Post » Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:08 pm

was because the games allowed a player to become so powerful that their was no longer any challenge. I just bought Skyrim during the Steam summer sale and I though I'd ask the question here to avoid more dissapointment later. Is the op character an issue in Skyrim?
While playing Oblivion and Morrowind it just happened, I didn't try to become LOLOP, it just happened. Will this happen to me in Skyrim as well?

Skyrim has an opposite issue, imo:

It tries too hard to make sure you're not OP. The result is that you hit a point where every enemy hits like a truck, with several of them killing you in 2-3 shots. This may sound fine, as there are games that have enemies like this that still feel balanced (Deathclaws from Fallout, for example) but in Skyrim it can be pretty annoying. For example, enemy mages will launch AOE ice attacks at you, taking off a third of your health and slowing you down enough so that they simply outrun you. OR they launch AOE lightning attacks that cast pretty damn fast. Dragons can also be a pain because, well, you can't really avoid getting hit by them. Even if you block, it still hurts. Finally there's a very poorly implemented feature called kill cams, which both you and your enemy can randomly activate for an instant kill. The game checks to see if the next attack is enough to kill the enemy, and if it is, activates a kill cam. The problem is it doesn't check once the hit actually connects, but rather once the attack starts, with no regard for the possibility that you might dodge or block the move to survive it. This means you often HAVE to keep your HP 60% full, or you risk being one-shot simply because they didn't program killcams in correctly.

The end result is that you'll find yourself spamming healing potions quite often, which is tedious and boring. If you try hard to make an OP character and utilize the best skills, you can STILL break the game (there's a way to keep refining weapons until they hit for 1508230972389 points of damage), but if you're roleplaying, say, a typical nord and you only utilize the skills that Nords get a bonus in, then you'll find you're absolutely helpless against enemy mages and you're forced to spam health pots just to kill them.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 2:15 am

I never was really over powered in any of the elder scrolls.. I change up my playing style for my mage I use Destruction, Alteration, alchemy, Conjuration, illusion, restoration and One handed..

I'll probably master ( already have Destruction mastered )

Alteration
Illusion
Conjuration

Skills that I probably only level as needed..

One handed
Speech
Enchanting

Skills That I'll level to make it so that I don't have to buy Item(s)

Alchemy

Being a mage is one of the harder classes to make over powered and time consuming.. If you role play and balance your class with One major Skill being mastered first which for me is Destruction.. It will be a while when your over powered.. And you can always raise the difficulty in the game to challenge your self..
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:14 am

Just like in all the TES games I've played.. I'm not overpowered. In Oblivion sure I could one hit a few things but I was also the guy that saved the world.. so I probably should be able to do that to a few things. Skyrim is the same thing. I kill dragons, so a low level bandit should fall to my sword quite quickly.

I never have felt over powered in any of my games. Well, except when for fun I built my Daedric Sword of Pain in the CK and had insane fire damage plus like 300 damage. I felt over powered then. :tongue: But I just grab that up when I want to goof around. :biggrin:
Same. When I've been overpowered without mods, glitches or cheats, I've always been humbled pretty quickly by, say, four giants/centurions, or a swarm of xivilai and spider daedra, or a single [censored] high level vampire while I'm area of effect grinding destruction in Daggerfall I mean christ. Only time I've truly felt overpowered was after exploiting the restoration potion glitch to get over 100m in each attribute, unlimited shouting and a sword that oneshotted everything.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:10 am

Can someone tell me how they became overpowered in oblivion, damage wise at least? I know you could become practically invincible with enchants, but even with 100 strength best weapons ect I don't think I ever felt overpowered in that area.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:59 am

I've never become overpowered in any TES game, and i wouldn't say Morrowind and Oblivion ever lost its fun because of that.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 12:59 am

Same. When I've been overpowered without mods, glitches or cheats, I've always been humbled pretty quickly by, say, four giants/centurions, or a swarm of xivilai and spider daedra, or a single [censored] high level vampire while I'm area of effect grinding destruction in Daggerfall I mean christ. Only time I've truly felt overpowered was after exploiting the restoration potion glitch to get over 100m in each attribute, unlimited shouting and a sword that oneshotted everything.
maybe you should be praying to him and not cursing his name you would become more powerful * turns to wolf gurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr vV""""VV *
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:13 am

its pretty easy to become op in skyrim, if you want to avoid it just try not to loop the crafting skills.
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:10 am

Skyrim has an opposite issue, imo:

It tries too hard to make sure you're not OP. The result is that you hit a point where every enemy hits like a truck, with several of them killing you in 2-3 shots. This may sound fine, as there are games that have enemies like this that still feel balanced (Deathclaws from Fallout, for example) but in Skyrim it can be pretty annoying. For example, enemy mages will launch AOE ice attacks at you, taking off a third of your health and slowing you down enough so that they simply outrun you. OR they launch AOE lightning attacks that cast pretty damn fast. Dragons can also be a pain because, well, you can't really avoid getting hit by them. Even if you block, it still hurts. Finally there's a very poorly implemented feature called kill cams, which both you and your enemy can randomly activate for an instant kill. The game checks to see if the next attack is enough to kill the enemy, and if it is, activates a kill cam. The problem is it doesn't check once the hit actually connects, but rather once the attack starts, with no regard for the possibility that you might dodge or block the move to survive it. This means you often HAVE to keep your HP 60% full, or you risk being one-shot simply because they didn't program killcams in correctly.

The end result is that you'll find yourself spamming healing potions quite often, which is tedious and boring. If you try hard to make an OP character and utilize the best skills, you can STILL break the game (there's a way to keep refining weapons until they hit for 1508230972389 points of damage), but if you're roleplaying, say, a typical nord and you only utilize the skills that Nords get a bonus in, then you'll find you're absolutely helpless against enemy mages and you're forced to spam health pots just to kill them.
^^This well said. :goodjob:
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Post » Mon Jul 30, 2012 10:02 am

I never got owerpowered either, save for one time in Skyrim when I let a character reach a too high level. Otherwise, I haven't encountered this "issue" in any of the last three games.
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