In Fallout 3 you had Washington and it's many inner-city areas. It was huge. I could literally walk around for hours just watching scenery: the collapsed buidlings, destroyed cars, empty subway stations.....
But from what I've read so far, New Vegas is just rivet city times 7 or 8....It left me unimpressed. Is this true? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this going to be just wasteland with more locations and no big city to explore?

The 120 or so hours I've spent on Fallout 3 were mainly exploring the city itself, and I also saw in the making of F3 that they actually had much more areas built & ready for Washington but couldn't include it all in the final product...Couldn't that be re-used in New Vegas somehow?

This game is going to be a major disapointment for me if I don't get that "end of the world" feel from it, and I'm afraid that endless wasteland all around is not going to do the trick. Although this is just an opinion, I want to be wrong. I simply didn't enjoy the wasteland as much as the city in Fallout 3 so that's why I'm worried.

What do you think?

Personally I don′t tie the feeling to one thing, as long as all parts pay there bit, the NPC, the dialogues, the quests, the surrounding, if each contribute there part I′m happy.

Wow, my opinion enitrely different from yours. Although i liked the city, and the fact that it was there, i loved the wasteland so much much more. Walking all alone in the empty wasteland DID the trick for me. Encountering different kids of enemies and raiding small shacks and buildings was awesome.
I found the city being more of the same buildings, scenery and enemies (mostly super mutants).

I actually think fallout nv will be a lot like fallout 3: a big city part and a big wasteland.

I loved all the different parts in fallout 3. The endless wasteland gave it a great opportunity to hide things and have cool battles and to be able to snipe things from a mile away. I loved it and I actually liked the city less. I just wish they would finally update the engine from the crappy oblivion engine!!

New Vegas is split into districts, and you actually can't get onto the Strip unless you have a passport, 2000 caps or a high Science skill. All in all, it looks pretty good.

A passport? Seriously?

the fact that NV is split into district is actually pretty conforting as I didn't know that
Maybe I saw it smaller than it really is after all! :clap:

Who says Vegas is not full of districts just like DC was?

One thing to bear in mind is that the GECK/Fo3/FNV engine has limits on how many references there can be in a single cell (area) before performance starts getting hit, so I think its quite likely that New Vegas is broken-up into several different exterior cells just as DC was. No way for me to know for sure without playing the game and going into Vegas, but I find it hard to believe that they would have stuffed All of vegas into a single exterior world space.

I could be GECKulating way off here, but the limit is betwene 2,000 adn 3,000 object references before frame-rate falls. That many references is barely enough to get Megaton on the map! (and Megaton is a closed world space, so they only had to worry about the cell/cells around the center of town. Vegas will be spread out, so one could easily envision walls around the city with several entrances that allow access. If this is correct, it would have been quite easy for them to segment the city.

New Vegas isn't destroyed. What damage that has been done to it is due to simple wear and tear. It was never hit by nukes (the why of it will be explained in the story)
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So I doubt you'll get anything like DC (large city ruins) in this game. The desert wastes will feel the most classically post-apocalyptic.

Plus, the west coast (as established by Fallout 1 and Fallout 2) has started to rebuild and re-organize in various ways (often opposed to each other). Fallout 2 established many different civilizations. Some smaller settlements, and some larger like New Reno, Vault City and the NCR (whose army will make an appearance in New Vegas).
The east coast had somehow managed to not establish pretty much anything aside from very small settlements over the course of the 200 years after the bombs dropped.

But yep, it's gonna feel very different than Fallout 3 in that regard.

It would be a nice change of pace to be able to explore a big city such as New Vegas, bustling with life, but most of my time on Fallout 3 was too spent on exploring the DC ruins. It was just awe inspiring to look at the destroyed buildings, cars, and things that people would be devastated to have destroyed.

New Vegas should include a big destroyed city like the DC ruins. I never really liked the HUGE wasteland with a shack just in the corner. West Virginia is a LOT more of a metropolis area than Fallout 3 made it seem. But to me, there isn't much in Nevada besides Vegas. Sorry Nevadians. But it would be cool if Fallout New Vegas maybe included larger portions of Arizona and California. I kind of want to see a post-apocalyptic version of Hollywood. xDDD

Yep, gotta keep the riffraff and deadbeats out.

Well the game is called NEW VEGAS which is LAS VEGAS which is a BIG CITY. So yes, and if you watch the trailers you can clearly see New Vegas is split in different parts. Not exactly DC..... but Chris said that there will be about 4 Megatons. Which is fine by me. :fallout:

West Virginia??

This game encompassed VA, MD and DC. And there is nothing in West Virginia sorry to say.

http://fallout3.wordpress.com/2008/07/22/fallout-3-maps-at-nma/map1/

bad idea

I meant Virginia.

The interesting thing to me is how conflicts are resolved in the city of NV. I didn't like how if someone who none/most of the other NPC's didn't liked in a settlement got killed by me everyone attacked me. I believe there are gangs in the city and if I get in a fire fight with them and an innocent bystander catches a stray bullet or shrapnel I hope everyone doesn't just blame me and I have to fight the whole city.

What I hated about D.C. in FO3 was how it's blocked from the wasteland and is available to explore by the metro stations.I hate how I had to go down the metro stations seeing the same type of boring setting with fairly weak enemies.

I like the DC ruins too, but if there's nothing like that in Vegas it's not going to bother me.

But I know what you mean, my favorite areas in F3 are the ruined city neighbourhoods. Plus with all the interconnecting subway tunnels and stations, interior dungeons and outdoor neighbourhoods, it adds so much more size to the game. If you add all that stuff up it must be nearly the same size as the wasteland. You can spend forever exploring and still miss stuff. I'm on, I think, my fourth or fifth playthrough and I was delighted to find a new outdoor area at the end of a subway tunnel I'd overlooked in all my previous games. I was getting a bit bored with the game because I was so familiar with everything, so it was great to find somewhere totally new.

I wonder also if there are dark underground dungeons in Vegas, like bomb shelters or utility tunnels or sewers. I'd miss those if they weren't there. Where would the ferrals live if they didn't have places like that? :nope:

Maybe it's just me,but the thread topic and what is actually being talked aren't the same. Compared to FO3, I would consider the Strip a really big city as it is easily bigger then Megaton and Rivet city which in my mind were the cities of FO3.
Now if you compare it to the area that was once the city of Washington DC,then yeah it might feel smaller. But you have to remember that it isn't a city anymore in FO3, It's a bunch of buildings and ruins to be explored by those willing to brave the super mutant crawling through it.
Of course there might be a area in Fall Out: New Vegas that is of similar size that is full of little areas/buildings that we can explore or they might just have decided to have more places spread out across the map.

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In Fallout 3 you had Washington and it's many inner-city areas. It was huge. I could literally walk around for hours just watching scenery: the collapsed buidlings, destroyed cars, empty subway stations.....
But from what I've read so far, New Vegas is just rivet city times 7 or 8....It left me unimpressed. Is this true? Correct me if I'm wrong, but is this going to be just wasteland with more locations and no big city to explore?
Rivet City times 7 or 8? that still seems pretty big to me, and if you're talking about the strip thats fine with me. I've seen pics of some of the settlements and they're pretty big. besides, i like the huge desert world, its very unique and different from most other huge free roaming games like GTA, or Wheel man where the whole world is just a city.

I'm pretty sure its been confirmed there will be no metro tunnels going throughout New Vegas but Im sure there will be bomb shelters, sewers, and the like.

Apparently LV has a massive storm drain system.......

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Apparently LV has a massive storm drain system.......
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thank god, i was a big fan(and still am) of the metro tunnels and sewers(although the sewers were a bit better since they had a bit more variety), im very glad that they still have things like that.

Finally someone with real eyes in my opinion.

DC had nothing to offer but walled off small sections of the city completely seperate from the wasteland, and lots and lots of metro tunnels other than a handfull of sidequests there was really nothing to do there, atleast New Vegas has attractions and side distractions here and there AND a overarching goal to reach the strip as well, the only scare to me is how sparce and boring the strip looked, there were more things going on in Megaton than there was in the strip...BUT that was just an E3 video, and we all know whats shown at gaming conventions are much different than the true game.

its called >"FALLOUT"< *wink wink* for a reason the radiation last more then 500 years still in hiroshima people have a higher cancer rate then staying in the sun naked for 2 hrs a day for 50 years