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Frankwest:
Yes, I know that it is called Castle Volkihar. But, that's the only mentioning of that word in the entire DLC. Harkon never mentions that those inside the castle are of the Volkihar bloodline, nor do the other vampires say that they are part of said bloodline. It's just a name for the castle, most likely referencing the cold nature of the area. Or, the book Immortal Blood's contents aren't even real, just old wives tales! JUST BECAUSE THE VAMPIRES ARE LIVING IN A CASTLE TITLED VOLKIHAR DOES NOT MAKE THEM VOLKIHAR VAMPIRES!!!!!!

[Colton Idonthavealastna]

Wait, did the other thread even reach 200+ posts?

[scorpion972]

Wait, did the other thread even reach 200+ posts?

Nope, it was locked at around 90, so I assume this one won't last long.

[Poetic Vice]

Wait, did the other thread even reach 200+ posts?

No, it was locked because people couldn't keep it civilized.

[Sanctum]

Nope, it was locked at around 90, so I assume this one won't last long.

Depends on whether or not people play nice.

For my money, I don't think you can really say the Volkihar have been retconned because retcons don't just change things, at least not the good ones. The good ones also explain the change. You don't just write "Tom and Martha Wayne are alive" in a Batman comic without explaining how it could possibly work, or at least leave evidence that can lead to educated guesses.

The fact that no vampire refers to themselves as Volkihar, combined with the fact that Harkon was not the original ruler of Castle Volkihar points to the possibility that they have merely taken residence in the home of the original Volkihar.

If this was a proper retcon (in my opinion anyway), the characters/books in the game would acknowledge it, as they did with the whole Akatosh/Alduin thing.

[abi]

I think 'Castle Volikhar' is probably the devs way of saying that these are the Volikhar, Skyrims native vamps. The Volikhar as they appear in Immortal Blood are cool but would probably be very unpractical to play as. Then you'd have people unhappy that they were only enemy NPC's. Perhaps the devs felt that making the Volikhar VL's makes up for tinkering with the lore who knows.

[lolli]

I think the only thing Bethesda slightly did right with our current "Volkihar" is they have some frost resistance, and they made them look ugly, both of these are things I think the Volkihar would have.

[Stacey Mason]

Well, Harkon does say that they are Skyrim's oldest and most powerful clan, so it's safe to assume they are indeed Volkihar.

[xx_Jess_xx]

Immortal blood is classified as fiction at the http://www.imperial-library.info/meaning its author may have made it up. Unlike say Vampires of Vvardenfell which is tagged by research and backed up by gameplay. I know a lot of forum users consider The Imperial Library to be the source on lore.

Well, Harkon does say that they are Skyrim's oldest and most powerful clan, so it's safe to assume they are indeed Volkihar.

Ohh thats a good point.


And if the one responsible for geting the last threat locked, someone who shall remain nameless. I suggest we do not respond to his posts.

[Roddy]

It's a retcon.

Nothing much to discuss really as what's done is done.
I mean for the Dawnguard trailer we all voiced concerns it was a retcon and selling out to a more mainstream idea (Underworld) and vsions assured us "we still took our own TES spin on it." Now it's out and it's obvious there's practically 0 Volkihar spin on it and I think even saying it has a unique TES spin is debatable.

At any rate, what's done is done, like it or not, and it doesn't seem like the devs are adjusting the content to any of the complaints posted here. Praise, possibly, but not the complaints.

[Devils Cheek]

Maybe VL vampiric grip works through ice? #hope Would test myself, but I'm currently hobbled by my choice of platform.

[lisa nuttall]

Without reading the rest of the thread, i juat have to say that Skyrim's native vampires are the Volkihar. That is also why they have a different disease name then they did is previous games. To back this up even more, the Volkihar have legend that involve frost, cold, and ice, like the rugged climate of Skyrim, and Castle Volkihar is very far up north in the snow and others, plus I the developers called it "Castle Volkihar," and they are the creators, so..... You know.

I see how they could be Vampires just inhabiting the castle, but it would make no since, because of The lore of Skyrim.

[Portions]

Without reading the rest of the thread, i juat have to say that Skyrim's native vampires are the Volkihar. That is also why they have a different disease name then they did is previous games. To back this up even more, the Volkihar have legend that involve frost, cold, and ice, like the rugged climate of Skyrim, and Castle Volkihar is very far up north in the snow and others, plus I the developers called it "Castle Volkihar," and they are the creators, so..... You know.

I see how they could be Vampires just inhabiting the castle, but it would make no since, because of The lore of Skyrim.

When we are talking about the Volkihar vampires and lore, you might as well throw the lore out the window since that is what Bethesda did.

[alyssa ALYSSA]

Don't the Volkihar just hide in the ice all day and wait for travellers to pass by?

[Louise]

Something we can bring up is that the only source on the Volkihar also mention that it is only one of the tribes in the land. If we are going to take the Immortal Blood as fact, we should reflect on this as well.

[Tracey Duncan]

Immortal Blood is fiction, because Movarth Piquine and the Cyrodiilic vampires apparently never existed.

[Nick Tyler]

Immortal Blood is fiction, because Movarth Piquine and the Cyrodiilic vampires apparently never existed.

Seems legit... I think we should end this discussion and just leave it at yes the vampires we have are the Volkihar because Bethesda got lazy and decided to screw us so they could make the game easier.

[NEGRO]

Can't the Volkihar also transform into mist or something? That is a VL ability.

[Craig Martin]

Immortal Blood is fiction, because Movarth Piquine and the Cyrodiilic vampires apparently never existed.

You crack me up sometimes .

[Brιonα Renae]

Something we can bring up is that the only source on the Volkihar also mention that it is only one of the tribes in the land. If we are going to take the Immortal Blood as fact, we should reflect on this as well.

Exactly. Immortal Blood specifically mentions that the Volkihar make their home in the frozen wastes (my words, not the book's) that make up the eastern area of Skyrim, most likely the Pale, Winterhold, and Eastmarch. Castle Volkihar is located west of Solitude, so it's far beyond what was outlined as Volkihar territory to begin with.

Assuming that the original Volkihar vampire was a noble of the same name who resided there, it's possible that he or she was run out of the castle and towards the east by people wanting to destroy him/her. The vampire may have fled eastward because it could travel easier in the snow than its pursuers, allowing it to escape and take refuge under the ice. Years later, the Volkihar of lore remain concentrated in this area because it is where they are at their most powerful and have the most advantage, leaving the castle abandoned for other vampires who know the legend of Volkihar, to take refuge in, knowing that superstitious Nords would avoid going to a cursed place like it.

Can't the Volkihar also transform into mist or something? That is a VL ability.

That's an ability one of the vampire strains in Valenwood have, not the Volkihar.

[Brad Johnson]

When we are talking about the Volkihar vampires and lore, you might as well throw the lore out the window since that is what Bethesda did.

Not really, since lore is a combination of Mythology and Truth.

Truth - Volkihar vampires are a different variety of Vampires that are natives of Skyrim. That is why they have a different disease entirely and don't take damage to health while in the sun, like the others do.
Myth - That they could reach through solid ice to grab their foes. It does have to do with the cold climate, but that just doesn't happen.

You can't go by everything you read in the books around Tamriel. There are many different fiction books, theories, sightings, historical writing (that may or may not be true). Really, theatre many different things in those books of Tamriel. The one thing that we know for sure is that these Vampires have a different disease, have different powers, and have different negatives, and they all live in Skyrim - where the Volkihar are said to live.

[x_JeNnY_x]

Not really, since lore is a combination of Mythology and Truth.

Truth - Volkihar vampires are a different variety of Vampires that are natives of Skyrim. That is why they have a different disease entirely and don't take damage to health while in the sun, like the others do.
Myth - That they could reach through solid ice to grab their foes. It does have to do with the cold climate, but that just doesn't happen.

You can't go by everything you read in the books around Tamriel. There are many different fiction books, theories, sightings, historical writing (that may or may not be true). Really, theatre many different things in those books of Tamriel. The one thing that we know for sure is that these Vampires have a different disease, have different powers, and have different negatives, and they all live in Skyrim - where the Volkihar are said to live.

Bethesda did just get a little lazy though because these vampires have the same mechanics as the Oblivion vampires, the only difference is the weakness to the sun, which they did because people complained about sun damage, and they have frost resistance. So lets be honest they may have made some slight differences to make them more like the Volkihar, but they really were just lazy.

[Marlo Stanfield]

You crack me up sometimes .

Hehe, thanks.

[herrade]

Bethesda did just get a little lazy though because these vampires have the same mechanics as the Oblivion vampires, the only difference is the weakness to the sun, which they did because people complained about sun damage, and they have frost resistance. So lets be honest they may have made some slight differences to make them more like the Volkihar, but they really were just lazy.

They admittedly are lazy about many things, but they did make Skyrim. It has an enormous, detailed world, and many quests, mechanics, and voice actors as well as subtitles, and many other little things. They were lazy an several things, but who could blame them?

[Blessed DIVA]

They admittedly are lazy about many things, but they did make Skyrim. It has an enormous, detailed world, and many quests, mechanics, and voice actors as well as subtitles, and many other little things. They were lazy an several things, but who could blame them?

Well as detailed a world Skyrim is, and it looks amazing they could have spent more time on the vampires rather than work on unimportant and useless stuff like marriage.