Firstly- look at the models in the game. Some of them are absolutely brilliant (trolls, most armour, wolves etc) but there are two big faults- firstly the textures and secondly the ammount. Skyrim has less armour, weapons and creatures than oblivion. With textures.. i dont expect everything to be 1024x1024 or higher (or whatever it was) but some of it was just... Miles below that! Some textures are just simply bad looking.. i wonder if anyone in bethesda has ever seen rocks.. let alone snow! They probably could have saved a lot of memory on detail textures too (basicaly a texture that goes over another texture in order to make it look realy good. say the first texture was a browned a shirt and the second (detail) texture added a leathery patern. This is often done in games for scratches on metal, dimples in concrete, course clothing stitches on soldiers etc) . But weapon wise.. bethesda could have made spears and crossbows and throwing weapons easily! Even easier they could have made shortswords and more varied spells. There is also much less variety in undead and daedra (summoning suffers due to the player only ever summoning his best ranged creature and his best creature or whatever is a good distraction)

secondly there is play-testing; either Bethesda's weren't very good, information was collected wrongly or it just didn't happen! Playtesters would have brought things up like..

-puzzles svck.
-skills make too little of a difference and perks seem to be in there that replace skills (for example your enchanting skill does extremely little to effect the strength of your enchantments in armour yet there is a perk that improves enchantments by 20% each time)
-That magic is not very effective. (in fact all magic skills only reduce spell cost by 33% at level 100.
- That ai are dumb
- That leveling can be brutal in some areas whilst not there at all in others.
- that some perk trees are untouched whilst others are filled (sneak vs lockpicking?)
- That there are dungeons with a Non levelled boss at the end and that's never fun (skeleton , draugr, draugr, skeleton, restless draugr, draugr, two restless draugr, skeleton, DRAGON PRIEST WHAT THE F-BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!! ) (nothing wrong with non leveled- but id prefer if there were strong enemies at the start so that id know what id be in for)
- That enchanting and smithing are highly abusable (probably alchemy too)
- that most of the faction quests are awful
- That music drowns out the dialogue (the music that's under effects so is not controlled by
- That people wont let you break into their houses to talk to them! "iv got your long lost and incredibly valuable sword"- "your not supposed to be in here" "but your sword?" "get out!!" (guards come in)
- The ui
- that a lot of the land always feels the same (the north east is always white and it's realy boring whilst the midlands and the reach never gets any snow..)
- grass.. it looked so good in oblivion...
- animations (not just things like how fake everyone moves- it's gameplay changing that someone will take 3 seconds to get out of a chair to fight you whilst they are getting assaulted)
- that darkness is to bright
- that they never get scared
- etc. Each of these things to you may be minor issues- but minor issues together are what stops a good game from being a masterpiece.

dont forget the "secret" buttons that are bigger than a dinner plate.

theres a nother thread here somewhere with a bigger list than this,makes this list look like a shopping list

Skyrim does a lot of things better than Oblivion though. Once the mods start pumping out it will fix a lot of issues like with magic and perk tree's and balance.

the guy above me is right, mods will fix pretty much everything, and more.

As a PC user yes, the CK might allow modders to fix quite a bit(we won't know until the CK is released), However, this game was aimed at consoles and they are left out in the wind.

Am i the only one that's saddened that people say "mods will fix it" ?


Hey bethesda! we payed money for your game and now we are going to finish it's creation because you didn't. enjoy the money!

+1 OP. Very well written and valid points.

People shouldn't have to rely on mods to make a game enjoyable.

Poor corners... :cryvaultboy:

No, you're not alone, and we have no idea how the steam integrated CK kit will allow us to mod. meaning what will it let us do, and how, if any, limitations will there be put on/in it.

Complaining won't do a damn thing. Why complain? It's (arguably) the best game this year.

Valid points, and I expect to see Beth taking notes on this front. Just think back to Oblivion's complaints that made Skyrim what it is today.

Everyone says mods will fix everything, but these people seem to be ignorant of the 2/3 of people that own the game on a console....

Check out the PS3 forum(s) on this very site. I think they would beg to differ.

its a fair trade off..

consolers get the game they can play,with added bonus of buying dlc to hike the costs up.
and
pc gamers have to mod it into a reasonable tes game after it was butchered to fit a console.

so we all suffer a little...well betty doesnt suffer,but hey..thats quagm..i mean bethesda

if no one complained about anything nothing would get changed either from Bugs to things such as this so you can stop spitting out nonsense.

Will all complaints be fixed? no they won't but if its brought up there is a chance it will be fixed either in today's game or next game.


I agree with the OP in almost everything in the list including more but im sure you have heard my complaints many times before so no reason to repeat them.

I find their claims odd as none of my PS3-owning friends have experienced any of those issues. It is a small sample (10 or so), but if the issues were as widespread and prominent as the PS3 board claims, I'm sure one of them would have come across similar issues.


Disclaimer: I understand bringing up bugs in the platform-specific boards. I understand legitimate discussion being made about how the game can be improved; however, with the game being recently released, I suggest we find other things to talk about. Emotions run high among us. It's not worth the inevitable arguing at this point.

Thank you for saying what i was thinking im glad too know we're not all irrational whiners on here.

I have a PS3 and I've got a little forum page thing about patching up the Werewolf, which is like one of my favourite things about the game. But yeah I'm hoping Bethesda take note of people's complaints, I believe they should atleast take note of what people are saying or complaigning about and see if they can fix problems or come to a comprimise with some changes, I mean Bethesda will also want people to buy Skyrim DLCs right? so might as well make the customer happy right?....Maybe

Yeah, but saying "Don't worry, mods will take of it" is absolutely asinine because we don't even know if the OP is on a console or PC! If he/she says they are on a PC fine, but ignorantly assuming everyone is a PC elitist really grinds my gears, and saying such things are really dumb and unthought out and are a waste of post space.

Basically in a nutshell, I'm damn sick of hearing it! (or reading it if you want me to be exact)

I agree to some of your points, am confused by some, and disagree with some. Also, I'm pretty sure Skyrim has more armor and enemy types than Oblivion.

well I agree with you 100% but counting on Beth to do it seems more unlikely then from the community to do it via mods sadly..

Seems that way.

I don't think Cut, as I do....um hastend reintroduction.

remember when Todd said that RS handled Missions for EVERY guild? but that they found it boring, told RS to take half way and put back Story missions?


yeah I'm thinking alot of that went on.