I didn't got all the details but enough to explain what basicly happened.

Recently, like sometime in later April of 2013. Two students in the Landscaping labs of the Career-Tech school (That I'm in) had a little fight... Well... A big one. From what I've heard, one student was harassing the other with just simple words and the two ended up getting into a physical fight. One student eventually stabbed the other in the skull with one of the tools they have in the Landscaping lab... Now, the student that was stabbed currently cannot remember how to walk, talk, drive, etc and basicly... Ye'h. The other student is definably going to jail and is prolly gonna end up with all the bills...

So ye'h, this is why I kinda am against bullying and do wish for it to count as illegal action cause it can go too far and it is best to stop it. Then again, we live in a world where the police don't investigate crimes until it is far too late. (At least be like the guards in Oblivion where they are pretty much RIGHT there when the crime is commit'd... Joking!)... Anyways, joke aside. This is quite terrible news and made me quite sad. Especially since it happened right within the same building as I was in!

And I have a question for you, the reader. Had you ever seen bullying going too far in your school or not?

Who stabbed who though?

And "seen bullying go too far" implies that it can also not go too far, meaning there is an acceptable level of bullying.

Then there is the issue of how do you identify bullying in schools? Sometimes its just harmless words among friends, and if you institute no-tolerance policies, then you are in effect hindering ones right to free speech. I can call you a no good loser and a blight on this earth, and there is nothing legally you can do about it.

Furthermore, it sounds like your schools is a post high school level, meaning you are all advlts. So I believe the cliche of "Grow up." is in order for this type of thing.

"From what I've heard, one student was harassing the other with just simple words and the two ended up getting into a physical fight."

If that's true, it doesn't matter.

It does, because if it was the one being harassed then they could argue that they were provoked. Thus putting the blame on the other party. Same happens if bullying leads to suicide in some instances.

An assault being provoked isn't the same thing as self-defense, more like a mitigating factor IIRC.

No, If I'm annoying you, you don't have justification kill me.

And I understand that bullying is much more than 'annoying', but stabbing someone is a lot more than bullying.

Bullying/harassing is not the same as annoying. It has been successfully argues many times that otherwise passive people have been pushed to violent acts as a result of provocation, and bulling could very well fall under that category.

If I came up to you and started poking you lightly with my finder saying "Hey, hey, hey, hey..." then that is nothing to get violent over.

Conversely, If I came up to you and started talking crap about your mother, your sister being a [censored], how you are worthless trash, and I shove you around and laughing at you as you start to tear up, and I egg you on to take a swing at me, that is provoking, and that is what leads to otherwise docile people to snap. And that is a very defensible argument.

And from a legal standpoint, being 'provoked' isn't actually a legal defence. Just because your normally passive doesn't mean that stabbing someone is okay.

For once? I guess suicides and lifelong psychological issues and paranoia don't really count?

No it isn't. If I shot someone for doing that I would still be going to prison

You could argue that it is defensible from a moral standpoint, but not in court.

Technically that would be assault, and people have been let off from charges because the other person poked them first. Or in one case, tapped them on the shoulder too many times.

And there's the catch 22.

The only way I've ever seen bullying/harassment stop is when the victim stands up for themselves, usually in a very physical way. Yet, when the victim does this, they're the ones who get in trouble. It's garbage. You don't want people to get stabbed in the head for being a-holes, put a stop to the harassment before a kid snaps.

On the same note, if this wasn't on-going and the dude just impaled the guy's skull because he was annoyed... that's a different story.

trying to make bullying illegal is a tough issue as you have stated. i personally am against it. Some May find my words cruel but bullying is a part of life. imo if you can't learn how to deal with a bully in a reasonable way and run to the government for such an issue than how are you going to make it in life?

I understand that some cases are rather extreme and in those cases they should seek outside help but for most cases I truly believe they need to man up and learn how to take action.

there Will always be bullying even if it's made illegal.

i might sound "mean" but the fact it's I've gone through it, it didn't stop till I knocked that [censored] in the head, he won the fight but i never took any more crap from after that.

Bullying is already illegal. It counts as injury to one's person/dignity. People don't make enough use of the protection afforded by extant laws. Anyway, part of becoming an advlt is learning to deal with the slings and arrows of everyday life. People aren't obliged to be nice to you.

In Canada, bullying is not frowned on by our current gov. They bully, so it must be okay.

It's a still a choice, and he should have seeked help from someone if it was serious, if this bully threatened him in a physical manner to cause major harm or death it would be self defense. But stabbing someone over name calling is a crime and if the government started handing out free passes to everyone that claimed they snapped, we would lose the value of personal responsibility.(if we haven't already)

What the bully did was wrong, and the fellow that snapped did was a crime.

Easy to say from the current perspective, but it is a very different situation when you are the victim.

I could say that If I were ever faced with a bully, Id go seek help and tell the proper people to resolve the situation, but realistically, no one can know for sure what they will do.

Im not saying that fighting back was the right thing to do, im just saying it is understandable why it happens, and it IS a defensible stance if you get in trouble. Its called "Getting caught in the heat of the moment"

Plus, we still don't know who did the actual stabbing.

Also related:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justifiable_homicide

Career-Tech schools are Highschools for Juniors and Seniors that are in Highschool and wishes to get into the work force rather than into college more. Thus the these schools have labs and programs focus around specific skills that are highly wanted in today's community. So... We are all around the ages of 16 - 20. I'm personally 19.

Also, I don't know who stabbed who. I never caught that. I'm not one who gossips and such... I only heard of this cause a student in my math class who is also in Landscaping was talking about this to the sub-teacher a few days ago. When I got curious and asked him about it, he didn't told me much. Just an idea what happened.

It was joke to how people normally look at bullying as a common kid thing that doesn't matter that much... I personally know the long-term effects of bullying, even just mental bullying, and it can be very stressful and dangerous.

I can deal with common teasing and such but if it is a everyday thing from the same people, it can get to you. And it can get quite annoying though I'm one who just goes to a superior for help. I never once attacked someone for bullying me.

No matter what. Bullying has negative effects on people and I don't care what others say. I personally believe it should be illegal and enforced as laws... Mainly because I've went through with this crap over 15 years of my life and believe me, it did greatly have a huge effect on me...

Freedom of expression is very jealously guarded for a reason.

Defensible on moral ground maybe, but it isn't defensible to say "He harassed me, so I stabbed him". It is understandable, but that isn't the same thing as being defensible.

I can understand someone killing someone who, say, killed a loved one, but a moral justification isn't actually a defence when it comes to court.

You can express hatred or dislike of someone without bullying them and putting them down. Heck, normally I will just right out and say "I don't like you." to people then leave them alone for good... Or until they start bothering me with things. Then I go get help.

Also, to correct myself. I don't attack bullies physical. Sometimes I'll say a smart remark and they will go into a "What?" mode and end up saying something childish like "You're stupid!".

Actually I have been a victim of bullying since elemantary, up until I got out of highschool and into college I actually start getting treated like a human being.

Middle school was probably the worst, got into alot of fights, and basically only a handful of real friends, many times in that part of my life I liked the idea of smashing my tormentors head on a street corner with my foot. But you realize their consequences those actions, like jail.

So I never killed anyone, I got over it, and got through that bad part of my life, and now I kow plenty of decent people.

To anyone talking about this... Idk who stabbed who. I'll need to figure that one out. If I do, I'll post here if the 'victim' or the 'bully' did the stabbing.

And that's where already-existing laws come in. What you're describing is already illegal. What is the point of this topic?

Think I'll take my leave now.

Look it up.