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I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:16 am
by Alex [AK]
So I'm starting to get a little weird about playing Blackjack. I could SWEAR a few times I played, and when I lost, the numbers would be a little higher than 21. Is this just my imagination, or is this a known issue? :unsure2:

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:10 am
by Laura Samson
You might have counted the cards wrong, it would be nice if they implemented the number your and the dealer's cards equaled like in Red Dead Redemption, because it can be really hard to read the way the light hits it sometimes.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:05 pm
by Lakyn Ellery
Sound like the AI has gone to new heights to JACK you for your Caps ... lol

I haven't even gotten to Vegas yet so Idk lol ...

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 9:18 pm
by maddison
You might have counted the cards wrong, it would be nice if they implemented the number your and the dealer's cards equaled like in Red Dead Redemption, because it can be really hard to read the way the light hits it sometimes.

Well IIRC, 'royal' cards are tens right? Because about 20 mins ago, I got a queen, a jack, and a three. Isnt that 23? Or am I counting things up wrong? :unsure2:

@Josephs Pun- :facepalm:, I guess those cards are determined to DOUBLE my losses. YEEEEEEAHHHHH :disguise:

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:07 pm
by Andrea Pratt
So you're saying the game was rigged from the start? ;-)

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I haven't tried blackjack, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it's as bugged as caravan. The wiki only shows a http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Blackjack#Bugs

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:13 pm
by Kristian Perez
So you're saying the game was rigged from the start? ;-)

Sorry, couldn't help myself. I haven't tried blackjack, but it wouldn't surprise me one bit if it's as bugged as caravan. The wiki only shows a http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Blackjack#Bugs

I'm on PS3, so this makes some sense to me. Dang it, quit cheatin me of my money damn game. :swear:

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:36 am
by Emmi Coolahan
Ok, that really svcks. Let's all say it together now:

"I hope they fix this in the next patch."

Rinse, Repeat.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:30 pm
by Chloé
So I'm starting to get a little weird about playing Blackjack. I could SWEAR a few times I played, and when I lost, the numbers would be a little higher than 21. Is this just my imagination, or is this a known issue? :unsure2:


Imagination probably. I haven't had much problems reading the cards but I've had trouble following what cards actually go on at times. It honestly happens at a pace that's a bit bad for people with slow reactions.

Like one of the posts above said, a counter would of been nice for the most part, especially considering that it could of been fitted in a number of places worked that made it both compact, I.E. stick to the corners, and/or make it relate to what hand is which, as you can split hands after all.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 12:58 pm
by Tasha Clifford
So I'm starting to get a little weird about playing Blackjack. I could SWEAR a few times I played, and when I lost, the numbers would be a little higher than 21. Is this just my imagination, or is this a known issue? :unsure2:


All casino games are effected by Luck, be it cards, slots or roulette which makes counting cards utterly pointless as your Luck will literally reshuffle the deck. And of course even with a table off of players you only see yourself and the dealer. So there's nothing to fix in a patch because its not a bug, if you have a Luck stat present in the game it makes perfect sense for it to effect gambling.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:16 pm
by Yama Pi
im actually pretty good at caravan depends on your skill and knowledge of the game i beat a guy that uses marked cards :happy:

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 8:05 pm
by sw1ss
All casino games are effected by Luck, be it cards, slots or roulette which makes counting cards utterly pointless as your Luck will literally reshuffle the deck. And of course even with a table off of players you only see yourself and the dealer. So there's nothing to fix in a patch because its not a bug, if you have a Luck stat present in the game it makes perfect sense for it to effect gambling.

I've got a luck of 7, thats high enough. I just think luck shouldnt affect the gambling like it does. I would rather it just randomly chance it all, luck just provides a chance for the game to force you a win.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:03 pm
by sophie
and house stinks hes just a sun dried pickle with limbs a head and some whiskers nothing more :down:

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:08 am
by Mel E
i think it's happened to me a few times. Occasionally I could swear I got 21, but the game counts it as a bust. Other times I swear the dealer has 22, but the game makes him winner. I could be imagining things, and I hope I am. But at any rate, it only happens maybe 1 out of every 20 hands and isn't really that big of a deal.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 5:39 pm
by Lynne Hinton
You know I thought you were talking about "counting cards" the tactic to play at blackjack not simply adding up your hand.

Well IIRC, 'royal' cards are tens right? Because about 20 mins ago, I got a queen, a jack, and a three. Isnt that 23? Or am I counting things up wrong? :unsure2:

Your right its 23 so you bust, doesn't matter what the dealer got. If the dealer busts the only way to lose is if you also bust.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:15 pm
by GEo LIme
You know I thought you were talking about "counting cards" the tactic to play at blackjack not simply adding up your hand.


Your right its 23 so you bust, doesn't matter what the dealer got. If the dealer busts the only way to lose is if you also bust.

No no no, by 'I' I meant the dealer got 23 on my hand, and I lost with a 20 in my cards. Thats where my confusion is.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:34 am
by Eileen Müller
No no no, by 'I' I meant the dealer got 23 on my hand, and I lost with a 20 in my cards. Thats where my confusion is.

AH well that IS odd, can't say I recall experiencing it myself.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:36 pm
by Emily Rose
AH well that IS odd, can't say I recall experiencing it myself.

It's not common, but something isnt right. About every three out of five hands, I get, say....a 20, and it will 'coincidentally' get the exact same number I got, which, for having a luck of 7, which is pretty high, I have a feeling something is going that shouldnt be.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 3:58 am
by Stephanie Kemp
It's not common, but something isnt right. About every three out of five hands, I get, say....a 20, and it will 'coincidentally' get the exact same number I got, which, for having a luck of 7, which is pretty high, I have a feeling something is going that shouldnt be.


Having a luck of 7, without using any bonuses, is nothing but frustrating especially at places like Sierra Madre.
When you have a luck of 7, naughty nightwear and lucky shades, everything is much easier.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:02 pm
by Sara Lee
Um they CHEAT they are supposed to cheat sometimes.

Different casinos cheat differently and to different degrees but they all cheat some.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 2:43 pm
by loste juliana
All I know is that I've come real close to punching one of those card dealers in the face. The thing that annoys me the most is that the dealer always seems to have a better hand than you, usually by just 1 or somethin'.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:23 pm
by Alexis Acevedo
Try gambling with 10 luck. You think it cheats? You'll get Ace and 10 on everything.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 4:57 pm
by Chris Ellis
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheComputerIsACheatingBastard

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:27 pm
by Grace Francis
Luck plays a huge factor in blackjack I have found.
Many, many, many, many times I have seen the computer deal itself this combo 70%+ of the time ten + face, or king + king, queen + queen, often both of the same suit.
I played on one day two casinos and came up with 11 blackjacks dealt for myself, only to get tied with the computer dealing itself blackjack as well.
I see almost constantly a 5 - 7 flop coming up 21, for the computer to beat my 19 - 20.
5 luck or under I hit face, 2, face draws frequently, allmost astonshingly so.

This may be me as I see patterns often, and am highly paranoid about computer random generators..
Due to that they require no skill and are prone to looping, getting cheated irl I can cope with however ( note I don't believe the computer is cheating, thats just my paranioa. )

In NV I don't think it's completely random either, some casinos seem to loose more frequently for me, combined with the luck stat it has more chances to go wrong.

The best way to beat the casinos is quite frankly have more money then they do, play the odds long term make bets of 80 - 100 and keep playing.
Then to speed this up set your luck at 7+, whether by base stats, or naughty nightwear and the implant.

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 6:31 am
by Nancy RIP
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheComputerIsACheatingBastard

Oh god, this is why I love TVtropes :laugh:

@Madoc-Thats something I thought was just me.

"I have a 19. I CANNOT LOSE!"
-computer draws 20-
-Uses colorful words that the forum wouldnt like me saying-

Seriously, when it magically beats me by one number 3-6 times all I can think is "HAAATTTTEEE BEEAAMMSS"

I'm starting to think the AI is cheating at Blackjack

PostPosted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 4:47 am
by Mashystar
It's to teach you not to go to real Vegas.

The house really does have a nearly unbeatable advantage.