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The werewolf probally was exausted because it kept changing because it was getting tortured. Why would changing back and forth kill them anyways! they are werewolves.

No!!! I've played elder scrolls since morrowind so you do not know anything. Daggerfall was along time ago.

Well from their perspective you entire skelatal structure is stretching and reshaping your organs and growings, your muscles are expanding, so it's like 5 years of growth spurt pain in a couple of seconds. However, in recent movies and games, it seems that the quicker the change the less painful it seems.

I don't see the point in adding something when there's an artifact that does exactly that. If there was an artifact that made base form vampires great, believe me I wouldn't be asking for improvements.

As a side note, I want that bat face. It is very cool looking. Not the red slit though, which appears to be a bug.

Just because you are a werewolf doesn't mean putting your body through that much of a physical change multiple times can't be good for it. Not too mention what werewolf would want to, since they go through a lot of pain.

Maybe they go through the pain the first few times but then it probally does not hurt them later.

Why wouldn't it hurt anymore, they are going through the same change as before? They might get used to the pain a little, but it would still hurt like hell.

Gentlemen we don't know if the changes hurt them. We can guess the first atleast would. But we've never had any Werewolves document their transformation, and if they control themselves when changed they haven't written while change saying how they feel. Thus far it could always be agony ala American Werewolf, or it can initially be painful then slowly become less painful ala Underworld

We just don't know, our character won't tell us. so thus far. Roleplay what you think would be their thoughts while changing. Sometimes, if I'm feeling humorous, I like to think my Nord Male wonder while changing into a Werewolf if he remembered to turn the oven off only to realise while roaring in wolf form, that the Oven hasn't been invented yet.

But that's just me

It's a proven fact that repeated exposure to pain actually makes you more sensitive to it. Your body is telling you "Hey, stop letting that happen!" louder and louder each time.

Bones stretching and muscles expanding, and in "Physicalities of Werewolves" it is stated "The heart is the first thing to swell, long before the lungs or bones shift to accommodate it. This may account for the intense chest pains that some of the afflicted report directly before their changes."

So perhaps a sped up transformation reduces the pain because it's happening so fast pain doesn't register as much. I don't know I didn't do biology.

Yeah I guess no one knows or if either change will happen. Now lets all talk about the vampires. I belive the vampires should get stronger each time you feed on someone and to actually be able to infect others but only a limited amount each in-game week.

To be honest that is sort of what I had originally thought that feeding would make a Vampire stronger, like Dracula and all that stuff they drank blood to stay as they were strong. So a fledgling Vampire would feed to become strong and lack of feeding would weaken them to a more human state, so in a weakened form perhaps sun effects them less but they are less powerful, maybe?

Yes the vampires should feed to get stronger since they are the Volkihar, only the Cyrodiilic vampires feed to get weaker, but makes it so that they can blend in.

Oh so feeding effects different strands of vampirism. I didn't know that.

Could anyone tell me HOW all the various Vampiric strands started? did they all start as 1 master strand? then sort of seperate from one another over the years?

You do have a point, and the transformation is rather quick in game. But I still think it'd be exhausting and slightly over-powered if you could transform multiple times from the beginning. Whenever I want more transformations (With Savage Feeding it isn't too necessary) I put on the Ring of Hircine.

The vampirism virus came from molag bal.

I know that bit, but why are there different strands is what I'm asking.

I am not sure maybe we should read the lore of the cyrodiilic strain.

It gets diluted through the centuries. Perhaps each strain adapts to climate, which explains why Morrowind vampires are the way they are, and the Volkihar have ice based powers. Things like that, I suppose. But I am willing to bet Harkon's family are not the only purebloods in the Elder Scrolls. Lamae was one of them, but she was never in the game.

I see, so I have a question is the Volikhar have appeared before, why can only Harkon's family turn into Batman... or Man-Bat from Hell. Is it because he is pure blood? And if so, does that mean other purebloods will have similar enhanced abilities?

Because Betheda just came out and said "Oh, vampires can turn into bats now."

But to be technical, Harkon and his family were turned by Molag Bal, thus they are pureblooded if Molag had a hand in turning them into vampires. Yes, other purebloods would have the same abilities, because the reason we became vampire lords was through Harkon's blood, so it is obvious any pureblooded vampire can do so. Now if they would appear the same as Harkon's alter form, we don't know. Since there are various strains of vampirism and different forms of Lycanthropy, I bet some purebloods can even look like http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BK-r2kjulUI/TYW9gkPtM2I/AAAAAAAAADM/jDDlz83lbsw/s1600/Van-Helsing_7.jpg It is hard to know, though, for sure.

But not only purebloods are vampire lords. This sired by them can become vampire lords too, as we saw with Serana and Harkon biting the player.

Imagine for a second the incredible strain that a transformation like that puts on your body. You're talking about a complete and total change in your physiology. Your bones shift, possibly break and are mended when placed in their new positions, you muscles expand, you grow entirely new bones, etc. That cannot be a painless and easy process. There's a reason that almost every werewolf movie shows the transformations as being incredibly painful. Now imagine something like that happening continuously within the confines of a few hours. Your heart would probably give out from the stress, as your heart rate is most likely hyper accelerated during this and your feeling all the pain that this transformation puts on your body. It taxes your heart, lungs, and mind, and could very well overload them if done too many times back to back. Your body consumes a lot of energy just powering your ordinary, day to day actions, and I can't imagine it'd find transforming to be easier.

I wonder if count hassildor is a pureblood vamp?

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