It's just become very apparent after the quest at Camp Nelson, that my game has a really serious bug.

Despite my current standing with Caesar's Legion (vilified) every Legion member I approach is completely non-hostile. This ruins basically every anti-legion NCR quest, because I will enter their territory / base etc. and be completely ignored.

I've tested it out a bit;
- They will become hostile if attacked, so will nearby Legionairies.
- They will become hostile if I disguise myself as NCR and approach them. If I change back to neutral clothing after they have started attacking me, they will remain hostile.
- I've tried killing enough of them to become "Hated" but the same behaviour still remained.
- If I fast travel to an area, such as the Raid/Slave camp, all the legion markers will be red (enemies) for a split second and then change to yellow (friendlies).
- Nothing I've tried has 'snapped' the game out of this behaviour.

The only abnormal thing I've really done regarding the Legion is dispatch Vulpes Inculta and his squad in Nipton when you first encounter him. I also later killed a (very much hostile) squad of Legion assassins that attacked me shortly afterwards. Since then, all Legionaries have treated me as neutral even though my infamy is increasing as normal.

I'm sure many of you killed Vulpes as well. Has anyone else encountered this as well? Anybody have any clue towards fixing it?

I'm hoping I don't have to bite the bullet and load my save from 10+ hours ago, before I visited Nipton.

Thanks

Check and see that you aren't wearing Legion armor. If you are, you are considered disguised and ignored by most members of the faction.

Edit: It was worth a shot. Funny that some people have the opposite problem. Are you carrying the quest item from Render Unto Caesar?

I new that would be the first reply, I meant to put it in my OP. I'm definitely not wearing / have not worn any Legion armour.

Thanks for the reply, though.

i can confirm this. wandering legion parties at least are not Kos for me, and i am vilified.

So, have you caught up with Benny in the Tops yet? Because after that this will happen.

What, what?

Are you saying that this is intentional? Legion vilification doesn't count until after a certain quest is complete?

Surely this would go against how Fallout is meant to be designed? That would mean NCR vs. Legion quests won't make any sense until after I make it to Vegas and finish a different quest.

I killed that guy and every Legion soldier I've ran across since, I'm vilified but they aren't always aggressive towards me. Most are, but not all. Now that I think about it, the ones who haven't been are the ones at the legion slave camp near Novac and the ones that seem to be random encounters in the wasteland, they are usually fighting an NCR patrol.

Well I loaded my game from 10 levels or so ago, before I killed Vulpes Inculta and continued my game without killing him.

- This time the Legion Assassins weren't aggressive when I got near the Raid Camp, until I shot at them. This makes because I wasn't yet vilified, because I spared Vulpes Inculta.
- I became vilified before entering the Raid Camp by joining in the fight against the Legion Assassins.
- When I entered the camp, none of the Legionaries were hostile (despite vilified status) until I rescued a hostage and then they all become hostile.
- Further on my way towards Novac I found another small group of Legionaries, they weren't hostile (despite vilified status).

This all seems to suggest that this happens anyway, whether or not Vulpes Inculta is killed in Nipton.

I'm now on my way to the mission at Camp Nelson to see if the Legionaries in the camp are hostile towards me, as the Quest giver suggests they will be. I'm assuming they won't be.

If that's the case, then I'm just going to trust what Nessh said above, and skip all NCR missions until I've caught up with dude-man in Vegas.

Did you do the two quests that are on that forked path east of Novak? One where to raid a camp to free some NCR hostages and one where you raid a cave to free some NCR hostages?

In both the Camp and the Cave the Legion weren't hostile towards me, pretty much ruining the whole point of those quests.

You didn't answer his second question.

Have you already initiated the "Render Unto Caesar" quest yet, and received that quest item? If so, then yes, it's doing exactly as intended.

Whoops; didn't catch the edit.

No I haven't.

*** SPOILERS BELOW *****





I have this problem too.

I noticed it when I did the quest to liberate Nelson. When I started the attack, a bunch of strange stuff happened. The NCR and the legion were attacking each other, but no one was attacking me. I watched for a little while, and then eventually decided to fire on the legion. Only a few of them became hostile (the ones in the immediate area).

I was successful in the quest and liberated Nelson, but there are still legion troops and dogs peacefully wandering around the entrances and even in the guard towers. This doesn't appear to bother the NCR troops stationed there either. Evidently they don't detect each other, or are simply not hostile to each other anymore.

At this point I had not caught up with Benny on the strip or gotten the invite from Caesar. I was completely vilified by the Legion.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I too am at the eastern part of the map and its either

a.) a bug
b.) intended for non-violent playstyles

Hopefully it's a, and I'm pretty sure it is. Reason why is (SPOILER BELOW):
























When I did the same quest thats described by pacificwing, I rescued the NCR hostages and killed legion members who attacked me after doing so. Once I completed that quest, I could still go inside the barracks and talk to Dead Sea, where he offered me a quest as though the hostages were still in his care. This is an obvious bug and helps shed light on why they aren't going hostile.

I hope you don't mind but I edited yours to show my current issue. I, myself, did not kill Vulpes. He came up to me in New Vegas, said I was cleared off any Legion deaths and to visit Caesar. I'm having a hard time doing it..

Just wanted to update, scripted events lead to hostile legion, but no other instance does. They are always friendly until i shoot them and comrades are nearby. They will not stay hostile.

It's interesting, not everyone has this problem so it might be related to a perk.

Same thing with me I killed Vulpis in the first few hours of playing , most of the Legion is non violent except for like one guy on the road outside of Nelson. I think it is intended since I believe as with NCR you van be forgiven of crimes against them.

Vulpes has nothing to do with it, I think. I didn't kill him and I still have the problem.

Judging by the replies and my testing, I'm pretty sure you're right. You make an interesting point, I wonder what Perk it could possibly be. I might come back and post all of mine later.

I have a similar problem, and I think its simply bugged...

I am vilified by Powder Gangers and Legion. Powder Gangers should hunt you, I read somewhere. Well they attack me, when I meet one randomly spawned guy, but thats it.

I freed the hostages from Nipton, and killed several Legion, i am vilified since then, but they ignore me completely, except when I shoot at them. But immediately after freeing the hostages, and immediately after the games message that my status with the legion is now 'vilified' a legion killer squad teleported in, there was a message that Caesar has ordered my death, and I had to fight them. Since then - nothing. (My main quest line is only completed up to Novac, btw.)

What does not work, intentional or not, are random events. The game seems to have none, or very few. I can walk over empty desert for hours, with nothing happening. Is this normal?? There are very few monsters after you fight your way through for the first time, nothing to find, no small locations, no small stories (finding an note, or some...), nothing at all. And no random events I found.

The attacks of Black Talon in FO3 where an element of insecurity, added greatly to the game, and last but not least where a source of valuable items. I used their combat armor to repair mine for a long time. Now I am level 14, and have just leather armor. (I could probably buy better, but without finding more of this type to repair and maintain it, I cannot afford it). There was a better armor with a Jackal or Viper someplace before Nipton, but since then the location is empty, no respawn, did not find the armor everywhere so I have only one suit with no chance to repair (repair=50 for me) and Icannot use it since its badly broken as usual. Vipers and Jackals seem not to respawn, and there are very few of them.

I absolutely love it, that several monsters are dangerous for my character, I love the changes to weapons and ammunition - but resources are sadly lacking, there is not much to explore (fought my way past golden geckos in a radiated environment, which costs resources - only to find absolutely nothing. Is this normal??)

And I miss random events. No wastelanders fleeing, no Raiders, and no respawn (there are places in FO3 where always where some Raiders, in NV - nothing).

Is this a game bug, or intentional? The game now seems empty to me. Am I really forced to continue the main quest line to advance events? Why? I would love to do several side quests, but often I am lacking the resources for it. I fight a bunch of hard monsters (fine with me!) but afterward there is nothing to find, no reward besides the XP. Places are empty, the world feels small and empty, closed in and boring.

Pity. I hope this a bug which can be fixed later.

(Sorry to reserrect an old thread, I just found it in a search)

Regarding the original post, I have the same problem. I'm vilified yet no Legion is hostile unless it's a scripted event or I shoot at them. Has the theory that you have to get to New Vegas and deal with Benny made the Legion properly hostile? It'd be nice to know if that is the case so I can just avoid dealing with the Legion until they act like they're supposed to.

you might be under a pardon by Ceasar. so they have forgiving you so that you can go see ceasar. who's asked for an audience with you... Did benny escape from you?.... Did a guy approach you when you left the casino where you met benny?...if so you've been pardon by ceasar for the moment cause he wants to see you.

I've not met Benny yet, but I've been doing a lot of NCR stuff and killing lots of Legion and am vilified, but they are always neutral to me anyway. Someone mentioned previously that they won't go properly hostile until you deal with Benny. I wasn't sure if that was true since I haven't gone that far in the main quest yet and lack of Legion hostility has made doing NCR quests or going against the Legion a boring choice if they're all non-hostile.

I have the same problem. I did not kill Vulpes Inculta and this started for me later on.

oh I see, yeah, they'll show up though its usually when you don't expect it.... like the merc clan that tries to kill you in Fallout 3 for being to good......