This whole thing is a spoiler.

I recently rescued Martin from the Daedra that over ran the city of Kvatch and made my way to Cloud ruler temple after realizing Weynon priory was no longer safe. As we arrived the Blades did their usual salute, except I noticed something. They shouted "All hail the Dragon Born".

So, does that mean that the Septim family were all Draon Born? What can this necessarily mean for the Elder Scrolls Series? Is the Dragon Born depicted in the Skyrim trailer going to be declared the new ruler of Tamriel? I never notice it before recently, then again the name didn't mean much until recently.

I think that yes, the Septim family all have dragonborn blood.

Lady Alessia, Emperor Reman, Tiber Septim, and Martin all bore the title of Dragonborn, if I remember correctly. So it isn't just Martin, but it seems to be reserved for very important people in Cyrodiilic history, most of which were leaders of some sort. But if it's being used by a Nord, who knows?

Tiber was likely a Nord. :shrug:

My impression was that all descendants of the Septim dynasty (and possibly descendants of Alessia?) qualified as dragonborn. Which, according to the main plot of Daggerfall was a ton of people (several named characters, and implied many more unnamed characetrs), though according to the main plot of Oblivion Martin was the last. Maybe I'm confused.

Also IIRC in one Oblivion fanfic I read anyone descended from a mix of all 10 playable races was also considered dragonborn, but I have no clue if that was lore-based or not.

That kind of sounds like some massive bull to me, but I honestly don't know a lot about lore yet. I intend to though.

I would start by maybe playing all the games visit the Lore section. A lot of people know a lot about the lore of this series around here.

Okay... where do I find the lore section now?

Edit: Oh, I see it.

Anyone who is a citizen of the Empire is a Dragonborn.

Used in the context of refering to Martin and Uriel Septim, I understand Dragon Born to refer to the Septims, but it doesn't seem like they're the only people referred to as "Dragonborn". In Morrowind, for example, some of the Nerevarine prophecies seemed to call the Nerevarine Dragonborn. In this case, it presumably means that the Nerevarine is an outlander, with the "dragon" in this case representing the Empire, and the character is "Dragonborn" because he comes from the Empire. At this time, I don't think we know enough to say for certain why the person mentioned in the trailer is called "Dragonborn", does he have some connection to the Imperial Bloodline? Although Uriel Septim's heirs may all be dead, this does not mean he does not have other living reletives. Or does it simply mean that, once again, the hero is from the Empire, or what remains of it, as the case may be? Perhaps there is some other connection we have not yet considered.

Hmm, maybe Martin had a son that no one knew about for fear of slandering his reputation as a priest.

He did mention worshipping Sanguine, who is the party animal of the Daedric Lords, so maybe one day our little Martin got wasted and slept about with a bunch of chicks.

Stuff happens, you know...

What? Where did you get that? The Dragonborn is means the blood line of the emperors since the time of Saint Alessia.

I read it in the lore section somewhere.

Then why the hell do the dragons fear the Dragon Born? That makes no sense. Just because it is stated ONCE that the Nerevarine was Dragon Born does not make that true.

Yeah pretty much anyone descended from Tiber Septim I believe, is supposedly Dragon Born. Which is why this dragon born from Skyrim is so interesting, perhaps its some far off relative or nephew of Uriel or something. Should be interesting to see as that would imply a legitimate heir to the throne.

All Men are from their Nedic ancestry but he wasn't actually born in Skyrim... http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1150358-skyrim-trailer-breakdown/page__view__findpost__p__16838257.


You are correct. It's the bloodline of Cyrodiilic Empires. Not all the citizens.

I wonder about the sanity of a people who follow a family who claims the right to rule because their ancestor got freaky with a lizard.......

Dragonborn means anyone of the Septim bloodline.

Not it's not, only the Septim bloodline starting with TIber Septim (Talos), also nicknamed Dragon of the North or Ysmir. Reman and Alessia were not Dragonborn.

Not all the Emperors.

Which, given the time involved and all those bastards likely born to all the various emperors and their family, could still well be a sizeable portion of the people. See also "Everyone (in Western Europe) is descended from Charlemagne" for our real-world version of the same basic idea.

When they were talking about the Nerevarine it DID mean that he was from the empire, an outsider, could mean the same thing here if this takes place after the events in Infernal City then the empire is pretty much abolished so to say THEY fear the dragon born could just mean its some dude from Cyrodiil which is the only part of the empire anymore. and no one actually knows if its literally dragons or not yet it could be the akaviri come back to try and take what they want and the dragon born scares them because he beat them in battle just like others before him.

The bloodline of the Emperors being termed "Dragonborn" branched off into obscurity, but it's generally considered to be Tiber Septim's lineage, and thus any Emperor of Cyrodiil that is "of" is lineage is called a Dragonborn.

This is a little iffy however, because if you delve into the lore you'll find that Tiber Septim's lineage weered off from the current Emperors, even Uriel Septim (and thus Martin Septim) do not technically have Tiber Septim's blood (just his family name) and so they're not really 100% Dragonborn.

I hear you saying, "well if Martin Septim isn't Dragonborn then wtf about Oblivion's ending and all that!?", there's no real answer to that. A wizard did it? It's an unsolved part of the lore, what most people say is that the dragon blood in Tiber Septim's veins is figurative of his magical standing so to speak rather than his actual literal blood, and so his family relatives (that are not also his direct descendants) would have it too.

In Morrowind the term Dragonborn is used to describe someone who hails from Cyrodiil/is part of the Empire, it doesn't mean that they all actually have dragon blood like some of the Emperors do. It just means they are under the sway of the Dragonborn as far as I gather.

The trailer of Skyrim can have several meanings thus, it can be that the Dragonborn from the trailer is an heir to the Emperors of Cyrodiil, or a direct descendant of Tiber Septim (or both), it could also mean it is someone from Cyrodiil (highly unlikely in my oppinion) or it can mean something else entirely; namely that it's not really Dragonborn, as much as simply dragon born(e).

A person who has a dragon in his or her lineage, half or part dragon, or with the blood of a dragon creature (as opposed to a dragon god like Tiber Septim has) in his or her veins. This is the most likely scenario to me, especially as it looks like to me on the tapestry from the trailer like the "dragon born" person is breathing fire.

It look like a fancy way of saying "chosen one" to me.

The Elves were actually not sure if Tiber Septim was the foretold Dragonborn (preface of Pocket Guide to the Empire, 1st Ed.). The prophecy they were following said that a Dragonborn would "crush" the Mer Dominion, Tiber fulfilled it, so he was that Dragonborn. In Oblivion, Martin was probably the Dragonborn of another prophecy: the "howto to close shut the jaws" of Oblivion. And now we get another Dragonborn, the one that will stop "They" whoever they are.

And for fun, here is The Lost Prophecy from Morrowind: