I haven't had any trouble finding alternate routes around tough enemies or fleeing from them while carrying a decent supply of stimpacks.

It's not impossible, it's just a challenge. A challenge that I'm glad exists in the game, compared to the baby-school leveled creatures of Oblivion (and to a bit of a lesser extent, Fallout 3.)

I can understand that. I was just explainin what the guy meant about exploring, plus I guess you didnt have the luck of findin a deathclaw in the first 2 hours of playin (like I did).

New Vegas hands down, New Vegas captures the Fallout style and world much better than Fallout 3 ever did.

I feel the same way.

I love your avatar, by the way.

Let me first say I put many of hours into 1, 2 and 3. and about 80-100hrs into NV so far. 2 was the best imo.

Now that said Fallout 3 hands down beats out NV.

Fallout 3 has way more exploration. Cant really argue that fact.
NV has no random encounters. LAME!

The crafting while lacking and simple was way more useful, NV crafting is
great dont get me wrong, but the amount of ammo, food, meds, and caps you find even on Very Hard: Hardore
kinda makes the crafting almost worthless sides a few decent items.

S.P.E.C.I.A.L: while the changes where amazing in NV, it kinda leaves P, C, L almost useless side few
unique builds so u usually end up just as powerful as a maxed out Fallout 3 char.

Factions were an amazing addition. However its to NCR heavy. Almost impossible to play a bad guy.
Unless your idea of a bad guy is all out fps mode on whatever moves.

While i love the old school fallout lore I could care less were the game took place. To be honest I
wouldnt mind seeing one in other parts of the US like 3 did, gives u that feeling of " Ooooh so that's
whats going on over there, thats what servived the war."
NV has some great animations, script and, mechanics. I beleive that a good dlc can fix alot of these
problems but as it stands now, it just comes up short. Nostalga isnt everything.

Are you honestly saying that Perception, Charisma, and Luck weren't nearly useless in Fallout 3?

If anything, New Vegas has made them more valuable (at least where Charisma and Luck are concerned. Perception can still, in many ways, be a "dump" stat.)

I was more getting at that while they tried to change the stats to be usefully and more specified so
we didnt end up walking gods in NV as we did in 3 they failed so all the changes they made to the
stats dosent hold as much water to me untill its fixed.

fallout new vegas was better hands down. the storyline plot was more immersive , there seemed to be more involvement with all the factions and people.

the only thing i want to stress is there wasn't enough dialogue , FO2 was still better in terms of dialogue and options.

Agreed, but as Gizmo stated earlier, New Vegas really is the best we could expect from a modern development house in relation to the Fallout series.

It's not the holy grail of Fallout games, but I feel like it's an extremely fair compromise between the things that we old-school fans adore and new, modern implementations.

I feel like F3 was a preamble to this game. I played over 500 hours in F3 but I can see myself playing 1000's of hours of FNV. F3 to me was a way to introduce new gamers to the Fallout world. Since F3 was a success they are now able to invest more into the game. I know the bugs are an issue but the game has so much more intrigue to it. Lets just hope that F4 thought to be in development by Bethesda has the story aspect that Obsidian brings but less of the bugs.

Even better: Let's hope Obsidian is contracted to work on the Fallout series from now on while Bethesda concentrates on bringing The Elder Scrolls back to its roots.

I feel like it would be the best solution for everything. Both series would (presumably) continue to improve over time, rather than dip up and down like a roller coaster.

While both games have their faults I'm pretty set on the idea that New Vegas does more things correctly.

Aside from all it's bugs, New Vegas is a much better game overall.

Easily NV.

I'm enjoying New Vegas, but I think fallout 3 is better. The locations are designed so well, and every random spot in fo3 has something interesting about it. Half the time I set out into the Mojave I sorta feel like... why bother? It seems fairly empty compared to the capital wasteland, which is especially odd since all the writing seems to indicate that, with the help of the ncr, the area is more civilized and developed than DC, which has no government to speak of. Not to mention the fact that Fallout 3 ran much better and had far fewer bugs. I guess New Vegas' saving grace is its writing. I'm enjoy the main quest a lot, and the characters are generally interesting (though I miss Three Dog... Mr. New Vegas is just irritating). Like I said, I still like New Vegas a lot, but it won't replace fallout 3 for me.

I don't think either one is better than the other. Where's the option for that?

I absolutely love both games. And I don't compare them to each other. Yes, they both have the Fallout name and both are in the FO universe, but strangely enough, I like to judge games on their own merits -- and my judgment is that both games are freakin' phenomenal.

But I guess I must be an anomaly, since there is no option for "Both" in your little poll.

FO3 is better for exploration so far, (but that takes in account of the DLCs PL and BS). FONV is better for quest lines and interactions with NPCs. Having said that, with a few good DLCs, FONV will exceed FO3 in playability. Hopefully any DLCs that do get made will open up a few more things mid-level charators can do. (note, I've played FO3 with some really great mods for so long now, that I've forgotten what its like to play a vanilla FO3. LOL) So IMO, all mods aside, FONV is better than FO3.

I voted Fallout 3. I just can't get past the feeling that I'm just playing an expansion.

This! They should task Obsedian with developing Fallout4 using a new awesome engine. Meanwhile Beth can perfect the TES series.

I would have to say New Vegas is better because it had more of a feel of Fallout 1 & 2 then Fallout 3 did. Fallout 2 was my favorite game of all time, so I was kind of disappointing in Fallout 3. New Vegas has the faction system that I enjoyed a lot more then plain ol karma (that doesnt affect a thing). Also people are saying Fallout 3 was better to explore? I don't get this, Fallout 3 was mostly metros, they made up like 25% of the map markers. I could not stand the metro, they were all the same once you explored one you had explored them all. New Vegas has more areas populated with people to talk to, the towns are bigger and the characters you meet are much more lively. Oh and the writing and voice acting seemed to be better.

Fallout New Vegas is 2 times better then FO3. Though I liked the story of Fallout 3 much more. Mainly because the story of Fallout 3 is more powerful. (Clean water, father leaving you, etc..)

i loved the exploration and different types of places in FO3, like the iconic ones like the subway systems and the supermarket. I loved exploring in that game.

but i think NV took fo3, stripped it of what was good and replaced it with different things, while still good, if not great, made me believe that this title needed more tlc.

so i loved the exploration but hated the lack of options in FO3, while in NV i love the amount of options but hate the lack of exploration. and i dont mean literal lack of exploring just lack of substance while doing so.

Uhm, you do realize that there ARE chems in New Vegas right? And that you can get addicted to them? Please sir, know before you speak.

Concur. The voice acting of Malcom "Little Alex" McDowell" was my favorite in that game by far.



Call me the exception then. I was introduced to the Fallout universe with the GOY edition of FO3 about a year ago.

So far (level22) New Vegas all the way. It's more challenging on normal than FO3 was on very hard. The dialogue/story options and voice acting is no contest.

My question is this: did you play GTA: Vice City or GTA: San Andreas? If so, did those feel like expansions? It's weird, because game engines get re-used all the time, and the amount of work Bethesda and Obsidian put into New Vegas is huge...waaaaaay more than an expansion. Is it that newer gamers haven't noticed that engine re-use is commonplace yet? Things like DLC are pretty new to the gaming scene, and even then New Vegas adds waaaaaay more to the game than even a huge DLC would.