Why can't we hire smiths to improve our gear? : V

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:31 pm

Something that just occurred to me.

Shouldn't my thief be able to hire a smith to improve his Ebony Bow, etc.?

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:48 pm

why cant we just hit a key and have the best gear in the game just FALL OUT OF THE SKY

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:21 pm

Same reason we can't make arrows or Dragonbone weapons

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:57 am

Um... ok?

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:58 pm

I think yes they should have the option to have blacksmiths sharpen your weapon for you, for a price.

Same goes for recharging magic weapons, where you pay a price to a mage to have it fully recharged, like in Oblivion.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:04 pm

It means someone either didn't think players would use it,or it's too hard to program in.That's usually what studios say.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:09 pm

If you could pay someone to improve your equipment...what would be the point of raising smithing?

Same reason you can't pay someone to enchant things....because it's a skill in the game and they want YOU to use it, not an NPC.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:15 am

The way the game is currently, you're forced to be a master smith to upgrade your gear significantly. It's impractical and unrealistic.

With the amount of gold players end up with, the ability to spend it on having weapons improved would create an excellent gold sink. Currently I just set my skill to 200 in the console, took no blacksmithing perks and simply throw away a couple thousand gold every time I improve a weapon or armour. I also don't forge anything myself.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:07 am

lol people are lazy!

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:47 pm

Something that just occurred to me.

Shouldn't my thief be able to hire a smith to improve his Ebony Bow, etc.?

Because that would make sense and wouldn't force everyone into smiting.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:04 am

The way the game is currently, you're forced to be a master smith to upgrade your gear significantly. It's impractical and unrealistic.

Really? So a person who is completely unfamiliar with smithing should be able to work the forge and improvement tables just as well as someone who is a master blacksmith? No sir, THAT is impractical and unrealistic.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:13 pm

It would ruin one of the points with Smithing. End game we got so much gold anyway.
The only reason i really leveled Smithing on this character was to improve his Ebony Weapons. I ran about in Steel armour the whole game at level 35.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:11 pm

This would lead to all kinds of exploitation if it were allowed in the game, as it currently stands.

I'd like to see this (and enchanting and alchemy hirelings) implemented, but not before the game and gameplay is more balanced.

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:39 am

lol people are lazy!

It's not about being lazy.

Skyrim is supposedly an RPG, which as the genre's name suggests, encourages you to play a role.

It's just not feasible for a great warrior to also be a master smith; both require a massive amount of hours to attain such proficiency, you couldn't be a master of both in any RP situation unless you live twice as long as everyone else, and so have the equivalent of two lifetimes to perfect your two crafts..

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:03 am

Really? So a person who is completely unfamiliar with smithing should be able to work the forge and improvement tables just as well as someone who is a master blacksmith? No sir, THAT is impractical and unrealistic.

THIS

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:55 pm

If you could pay someone to improve your equipment...what would be the point of raising smithing?

Well....By paying someone you can't get it past Epic (And finding the correct blacksmith who can improve "that" type of armor/weapon type to Epic is not gonna be easy without the wikia) and having someone upgrade your equipment should cost a fortune.
So putting points into Smithing or Enchanting means you can get way better stuff way cheaper than those who don't.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:00 pm

What W1tcher said. For a RPG, this game pretty much lacks all the obvious options if you're going a certain way.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:12 pm

Really? So a person who is completely unfamiliar with smithing should be able to work the forge and improvement tables just as well as someone who is a master blacksmith? No sir, THAT is impractical and unrealistic.

And THAT is fallacious reasoning.

Not only did I not actually say what you're suggesting, but you know full well I was talking about having a Blacksmith upgrade your gear, which is both practical and realistic.

Try again.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:23 pm

Really? So a person who is completely unfamiliar with smithing should be able to work the forge and improvement tables just as well as someone who is a master blacksmith? No sir, THAT is impractical and unrealistic.

I think he's referring to the fact there are no master blacksmith's around that would do it for you for a price THAT is impractical and unrealistic. Although it's impractical and unrealistic to not have brothels in this type of mid-evil world as well so take your pick.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:13 pm

Consider this... perhaps the weapons we find are already "improved" by the NPC smiths to the best of their ability. Anything you do to it after you find it is beyond them.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:47 pm

Well....By paying someone you can't get it past Epic (And finding the correct blacksmith who can improve "that" type of armor/weapon type to Epic is not gonna be easy without the wikia) and having someone upgrade your equipment should cost a fortune.
So putting points into Smithing or Enchanting means you can get way better stuff way cheaper than those who don't.

Ding Ding We have a WINNER :celebration:

» Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:58 am

It's not about being lazy.

Skyrim is supposedly an RPG, which as the genre's name suggests, encourages you to play a role.

It's just not feasible for a great warrior to also be a master smith; both require a massive amount of hours to attain such proficiency, you couldn't be a master of both in any RP situation unless you live twice as long as everyone else, and so have the equivalent of two lifetimes to perfect your two crafts..

Neither is it feasible to master all magical abilities in the game without any one saying....DAMN KID your a prodigy. Then becoming archmage while tolfdir settles for master wizard. LOL the game is not real bro.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:59 pm

Consider this... perhaps the weapons we find are already "improved" by the NPC smiths to the best of their ability. Anything you do to it after you find it is beyond them.

So following that logic, it's acceptable for the PC to be able to beat that instantly with almost zero smithing skill? I can walk straight out of Helgan at the start and improve my weapons and armour; if that was the best Skyrim's smiths can do, they're in trouble.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:24 pm

It could only be improved to a point, and it would be extremely expensive.

This is just because it would be nice if a thief could have an improved bow without training smithing. In a realistic situation, what would happen?

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:00 pm

Consider this... perhaps the weapons we find are already "improved" by the NPC smiths to the best of their ability. Anything you do to it after you find it is beyond them.

No no no no no no no, that's not a valid argument.
Alvor in Riverwood can teach you how to improve a Iron Dagger and a Hide Helmet to (fine), he knows that they can be improved and how to improve them.
And Alvor is just some random blacksmith in a small village, That guy up at the Skyforge is suppose to be "legendary".
That he simply cannot ever raise anything up to (fine) and beyond breaks the logic of the game.
Or Alvor is the true legendary blacksmith.