Why didn't the Empire kill Ulfric and his men when they capt : V

» Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:17 pm

I've never quite understood why they felt the need to transport the most notorious rebel leader by carriage, all the way across Skyrim, with minimal guard, when they know full well that the Stormcloaks insurgency is spread out all over Skyrim in camps and holds. It seems like a completely unnecessary risk, and one that they paid for, even if it was something as outlandish as Dragons.

» Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:55 pm

the Imperials were taken Ulfric and his stormcloaks to Cyrodiil, to parade them infront of the Emperor before executing them, but pale pass got closed due to avalanches in the Jerall Mountains and they had to turn back, the game start with they returning from pale pass to stop in helgen, the closest Imperial fort, to kill the rebels and get over with it exactly because the risk was too great to transport them around Skyrim

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:28 am

It's a very unlikely situation indeed but this is a game. The intro with Ulfric and the stormcloaks in the carriage adds to the story and the immersion in the world.

It was done simply to create a dramatic intro for the game, that is all.

Perhaps, they would have killed him on sight in a natural situation.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:18 am

A public display to prove Ulfrics death, or run the risks of the Stormcloaks operating on the rumor that Ulfric survived.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 11:11 am

Procedure like a real army should......

It's a very unlikely situation indeed but this is a game. The intro with Ulfric and the stormcloaks in the carriage adds to the story and the immersion in the world.
It was done simply to create a dramatic intro for the game, that is all.
Perhaps, they would have killed him on sight in a natural situation.

Or this works too.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:59 am

A public display to prove Ulfrics death, or run the risks of the Stormcloaks operating on the rumor that Ulfric survived.

Wouldn't his head serve the same point?

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:50 am

I'm sure General Tullius wanted to put on a big show for the Emperor. That's why they were holding onto him.
They wanted to parade his execution in the Imperial City, for all to see. But when the path got blocked, they decided to just do it in the nearest town, and send Ulfric's severed head to Cyrodill afterwards.

Tullius even says he'll still send Ulfric's head to the Imperial City right when you're invading Windhelm.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 1:44 am

Becouse if they killed Ulfric the game would not have the stormcloak questline ;3
Yeah i know,Stupid answer

Another question i have seen is.
Why didnt Ulfric use his Thu'um to escape?

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:35 am

Another question i have seen is.
Why didnt Ulfric use his Thu'um to escape?

He was gagged in the intro. Don't you remember?

» Fri Jan 18, 2013 11:25 pm

He was gagged in the intro. Don't you remember?

Yes i know,But thats why people ask
Why didnt he use his thu'um to be free?
I,I mostly dont care about those questions.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:28 am

Well, he's long abandoned the way of the voice, and he only knows Unrelenting Force. Not to mention he doesn't practice it daily like the Greybeards do.

Surely the cooldown for normal,untrained people must be longer :tongue:

They could have caught and gagged him while he was on his cooldown!

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 9:29 am

Yes i know,But thats why people ask
Why didnt he use his thu'um to be free?
I,I mostly dont care about those questions.

Ralof tell you why, they were outnumbered 5 to 1, even Ulfric's thu'um couldn't defeat that, he ordered his men to surrender so they wouldn't waste their lifes for notthing, probably he hoped they would only kill him and let his men free because they surrendered

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:23 am

That too.

» Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:53 pm

Damn Stormcloaks. Skyrim was fine until you came along. Empire was nice and lazy.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:50 am

Ralof tell you why, they were outnumbered 5 to 1, even Ulfric's thu'um couldn't defeat that, he ordered his men to surrender so they wouldn't waste their lifes for notthing, probably he hoped they would only kill him and let his men free because they surrendered

Does Ulfric not know about the effectivness of Fus Ro Dah near a cliff?

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 12:27 am

Wouldn't his head serve the same point?

One would think.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 4:12 am

He was gagged in the intro. Don't you remember?

His hands where bound, but he could still lift his arms. WHY didn't he remove that gag? That is my biggest question! LOL

Well, he's long abandoned the way of the voice, and he only knows Unrelenting Force. Not to mention he doesn't practice it daily like the Greybeards do.

Surely the cooldown for normal,untrained people must be longer :tongue:

They could have caught and gagged him while he was on his cooldown!

Ralof tell you why, they were outnumbered 5 to 1, even Ulfric's thu'um couldn't defeat that, he ordered his men to surrender so they wouldn't waste their lifes for notthing, probably he hoped they would only kill him and let his men free because they surrendered

Hmm, ok, good explanations there...

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 8:13 am

A public display to prove Ulfrics death, or run the risks of the Stormcloaks operating on the rumor that Ulfric survived.

Exactly. An execution serves to validate the authority of the State.

Well, he's long abandoned the way of the voice, and he only knows Unrelenting Force. Not to mention he doesn't practice it daily like the Greybeards do.

Surely the cooldown for normal,untrained people must be longer :tongue:

They could have caught and gagged him while he was on his cooldown!

It is established through dialog that Ulfric is a master of Thu'um. All the same, Ulfric might think that resisting would be futile. To be executed rather than killed in a fight might serve Ulfric as well: Just as an execution serves the purposes of State legitimacy, Ulfric might feel that it serves his purpose as spiritual head of his movement. There are many rebels who were never so inspirational in life as they were in death.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:41 am

Because the proper procedures required him to be taken to Cyrodiil, judged in front of the Emperor (although it would just be a charade) and executed.
However, Tullius changed his mind and decided to not take risks (of a Stormcloack army saving their Jarl) so he decided to execute him in Helgen. Unfortunately for him, Alduin appeared and Ulfric got away.
He doesn't make the same mistake again and kills him immediately in Windhelm next time (if) he gets his hands on him.

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 3:24 am

Wouldn't his head serve the same point?

One would think.

I'm sure Tullius had every intention of displaying his head in the Imperial City for everyone to see, except Alduin had other ideas! Too bad for Tullius they decided to execute the small-fry first, rather than getting right to the main action and offing Ulfric first.

» Fri Jan 18, 2013 8:05 pm

Real question is, why did Alduin attack Helgen? Why take time off his busy resurrection schedule to destroy a random village?

» Sat Jan 19, 2013 6:48 am

Real question is, why did Alduin attack Helgen? Why take time off his busy resurrection schedule to destroy a random village?

I always figured he sensed the Dragonborn there, but couldn't quite pinpoint who it was. Hence why he basically rampages and destroys the village (and all those Imperial troops) rather than immediately zeroing directly in on the Dragonborn.