Why does everyone dread the Thalmor so much? : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:15 am

I would support your claim if a Mer was ever made an emperor of Tamriel. I think a lot of people's view of opposing the Thalmors can also be seen as racism. Who knows maybe they are a superior being than Nedes?

The Thalmor don't have to be Emperors for them to be dictators and despots all their own.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:09 pm

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» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:34 pm

TES has always been like that. If you were a Dunmer in Morrowind, you got the same snide remarks as a Nord did....

*grumble* What is it outlander? We're watching you, scum. And so on.

Morrowind was my first TES game, and I thought it would be fitting to play as a Dunmer. Plus, I liked their combination of skill bonuses. But everybody still calls me an outlander or a foreigner. Apparently, just your accent and/or behavior is enough to identify you as a non-native Dunmer.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:57 am

I recently started playing Skyrim again with a new character after a long break, so I've been reading this and some other boards again.

Now my first play through I set out to kill as many Thalmor as I could, and I'm a little sad your not allowed to go back in the embassy and clean house after the main and the civil war quests. Yet I can see why other players could either care less about the Thalmor or even agree with them or want them as a optional group to join.

However what this topics about is all the "Thalmor are unbeatable" talk I've read. I know it's not a huge chunk of the fanbase but there seems to be allot of talk of how theres no way the Empire or Skyrim could beat the Aldmeri Dominion. I've even read some people talking about how fitting some DLC would be where the Thalmor invade and slaughter everyone in Skyrim and the Dragonborn meets a bitter end.

While they're completely in their right to think what they want and desire any DLC they seem fit I just don't get all the Thalmor praise. The Thalmor are spoken as if they're invincible when theres plenty to contrast that in game lore. Imagine if people had that mindset in our world
"O that Hitler guys too tough lets give up",
"we're doomed Rome will never fall"
"theres no way we can stop that Atilla the Hun Western Europe, lets not all unit and finally push him back."

As for the game lore
2E
-Tiber Septim uses the Numidium to bring Valenwood into the Empire and the Thalmor fade out.
4E
-Battle of the Red Ring, the entire invading Aldmeri Army is destroyed in Cyrodill.
-The Aldmeri Dominion withdraws from Hammerfell entirely after Hammerfell fights them to a stalemate.

My long winded point here being that there is in game historical sites of the Thalmor losing or failing to achieve their goals. They're not some unstoppable force that cannot be beaten. lets just assume the Dominion decides to invade Skyrim, do you think the nords will go quite like? What of the Dunmer, yes Morrowind is not what it was but do you think the Dunmer would ever bow to the Altmer? Or the Argonians? Do you really think they'd let the Dominion come into Black marsh? The Orcs, Hammerfells and the Reguards the list goes on and on with plenty of reasons why the Thalmor aren't as big and bad as they might seem.

Yes I completely agree. Although I am Hungarian and find you comparing Atilla the Hun to Hitler insulting. And no they didn't push him back, he kicked ass until he died of a stroke.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:03 am

*grumble* What is it outlander? We're watching you, scum. And so on.

Morrowind was my first TES game, and I thought it would be fitting to play as a Dunmer. Plus, I liked their combination of skill bonuses. But everybody still calls me an outlander or a foreigner. Apparently, just your accent and/or behavior is enough to identify you as a non-native Dunmer.

Ayup. I started up MW again a while back, with a nord. Got tired of the slurs, made a dunmer. Got the same slurs. *sigh*

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:19 am

Ayup. I started up MW again a while back, with a nord. Got tired of the slurs, made a dunmer. Got the same slurs. *sigh*

Maybe but for some reason the same thing happens in Skyrim. When I made a Nord and joined the Stormcloaks they kept calling me unblooded. Proud to be Bosmer now. :thumbsup:

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:17 am

Maybe but for some reason the same thing happens in Skyrim. When I made a Nord and joined the Stormcloaks they kept calling me unblooded. Proud to be Bosmer now. :thumbsup:

I think it's a specifically TES meme.... /grumble

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:17 pm

I think it's a specifically TES meme.... /grumble

I've only joined the Stormcloaks with a Nord and they still went on about why would a foriegner like you want to join?
Only responses available that seemed appropriate were about hating the Empire and wanting to kill Imperials. I hope that varies with race. When I get around to playing an Altmer or Imperial who joins the Stormcloaks it will be because they hate the Thalmor, not the Empire (although they are probably sorely disappointed about its current state).

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:22 am

I celebrate the arrival of the Thalmor.

ME TOO!!

Puts on ring of Namira...Grabs some skeever hot sauce.

DINNERS SERVED!!

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:45 pm

i dont say the thalmore are unbreatable, they should be, but beth wont kill a profitable enterprize for no reason, the thalmore will die because of the global depression

!

but your points...well with tiber septim nobody stood a chance against that robot, it was luck that the empire got it and not the thalmore.

the battle of the red ring was a great victory, but it was bittered by the fact that the thalmore sacked the whole city and destroyed 2 legions.

as for hammerfell....they did well , they had to fight though, they had no choice so they did, and the divines smiled on them. thats all i can say.

i once liked the empire but now i heartily detest it, martin septim would have died of shame at the filthy rablle that call themselves "the empire" now, the empires day is done, like every single civilisation on earth has ever been, it has risen and always, always fallen. the same can and will be said for the empire.

at the moment the empire is currently in the stagnation stage, has anybody noticed the likeness the empire has to the roman empire, they has empires, then they had a seneate, then at the end they has an emperor- pattern?

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:32 pm

I do view them as an overall threat but I am confident with a unified empire they will not be to much of a threat. One of my favorite past times is hunting the weak little thalmor agents around skyrim. Their threats are so entertaining and their skills are pathetic at best. They are only really a threat as an empire and from a strategic perspective.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:21 pm

Because they have the khajiit on their side. ^w^

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:30 am

Dread implies fear. I don't fear, I kill.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:29 am

Dread implies fear. I don't fear, I kill.

Ayup. /agree

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:33 pm

The Thalmor don't have as rational and well-intentioned goals as the Enclave but I sympathize with them nonetheless... Though I've begun leaning towards the Empire lately, seeing many Altmer side with them instead.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:57 am

So main plot quest line for TES VI (possibly) is either beat the Dominion and return the Empire to supremacy OR help usher in the Dominion as the new dominant entity on Tamriel?

I'm down with that.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:28 pm

I try and bring giants and Fort bound bandits down on them, then clean up the mess later. Much better having a usable force that is expendable within the game.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:33 pm

I do not dread the Thalmor Dominion. I may despise them, but I do not dread them. Maybe its the Dunmer nature in my character.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:47 am

They're almost like Nazi wizards. What's not to dread about that?

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:17 am

Why does everyone dread the Thalmor so much?

I'm a Destruction master. I laugh and point at the Thalmor.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:50 am

They're almost like Nazi wizards. What's not to dread about that?

That whole nonsensical Nazi comparison falls completely apart when you take a first look at any Thalmor unit - they have women serving in military, something Nazis would never, ever allowed. Follow that up with a dozen more differences.

By your logic the Romans, Turks, Russians, Ukrainians and a whole lot of peoples are/were Nazis as well.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:36 pm

So, I'm playing as a Dunmer. Recently went to Marakarth for the first time, and was speaking to somebody at the Understone Hall or whatever its called. Somebody there began ranting at me about elves, and "our war" against the empire and how my kind outlawed worship of Talos. Yeah, there's a difference between Dunmer and Altmer. So then I meet up with the leader of the Thalmor for Markarth, and he gives me the usual snooty, condescending attitude. Thalmor treat me like I'm human, humans treat me like a member of the Thalmor.
I've always liked playing elven characters in fantasy games, but I cant ever imagine RP'ing as a Thalmor supporter.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:30 pm

The grand plan for the Thalmor is to sort of do what the Dwemer did, to unmake themselves to achieve godhood....but unlike the Dwemer their plan involve unmaking the entire world, reseting the universe back to it was before made. At this point they will be able to access godhood.

That is why they are evil.....universal genocide and elimination of the universe.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:50 pm

That whole nonsensical Nazi comparison falls completely apart when you take a first look at any Thalmor unit - they have women serving in military, something Nazis would never, ever allowed. Follow that up with a dozen more differences.

That's like saying if Hilter worn a pink dress he wouldn't be a nazi anymore. Because 10% doesn't fit, does not automatically negate the 90% that does.

» Mon Jun 04, 2012 4:45 pm

Godwin's Law hard at work again.