Why does Riften even have a dock?

Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:39 am


Absolutely impeccable logic.

Occam's Razor can prove to be an incredible asset when discussing instances like this.
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Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 11:01 pm

This is what happens when you make games solely based off of questions like, "If Apple made a game, what would it look like?"

If Apple were responsible for Skyrim you wouldn't be able to do anything in-game, unless it was done via i-tunes and with Steve Jobs permission!
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:59 pm

If Apple were responsible for Skyrim you wouldn't be able to do anything in-game, unless it was done via i-tunes and with Steve Jobs permission!

yh, lol. That and it'll keep trying to sell you apps or little add-ons. The game won't even have a theme tune unless purchased through i-tunes.

It'll be like Fable 3 all over again with all the silly money spinning daft little dlc instead of them spending the time to make one great big decent dlc like the fans were asking for. Reading many posts at the time on the Fable forum, it was the silly money spinners that greatly insulted many of the fans loyalty. Especially as they hadn't sorted out many of the bugs at the time of them churning them out. Many have vowed never to buy a Lionhead game ever again. I'm ok as I never bought them nor did I have any bugs in my game luckily.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:45 am

This topic came up before. Provincial trade through Riften happened by caravan (see http://www.imperial-library.info/content/crossed-daggers). The docks are there for fishing and trade along the lakes. Both are represented in-game by the fishery and the docks at the Goldenglow Estate.

Unlike the blocked Niben in OB, I don't think the fact there's no good waterway from the Rift to the sea is necessarily due to the world model (game/lore disparity).
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:05 am

If we take a look at a http://majamaki.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/skyrim-map-bethesda-todd-howard-lg.jpg *snip*

i dont mean to be a conspiricy nut, or to derail the topic but. . .why is there something written on the map near the road border from windhelm to morrowind?

Edit: looks like it says "So, the Greater?"
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:37 am

two things to consider. Can't remember exact details but they are clues as the the city's identity


1.
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When the Empire make a truce with the Stormcloaks and they hand over Markarth in exchange for Riften, there is mention of something like Riften being on one of the main routes into Skyrim from Cyrodiil (can't remember the exact words, but something about it being useful for resupplying from Cyrodiil)

2. There is mention about the canol running through Riften once being important
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:13 am

i dont mean to be a conspiricy nut, or to derail the topic but. . .why is there something written on the map near the road border from windhelm to morrowind?

Edit: looks like it says "So, the Greater?"
It looks like one of the dev team signed it right there, so it's probably a joke
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:11 am

If Apple were responsible for Skyrim you wouldn't be able to do anything in-game, unless it was done via i-tunes and with Steve Jobs permission!

You'd be able to do all the same things, you'd just have to pay 99 cents every time you wanted to level up. But enchanting an item would only be a nickel.

As for the dock and warehouse, they're out of proportion to the lake and what's in it. I'm pretty sure that in about an hour of real time I could catch every fish in that lake. But it looks nice and gives the place its own individual feel.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:23 am

i just wish the docks had been a little more important, in hundreds of hours of playing i can say i have spent less then 5 minutes on those docks. you would think some shady docks would make for an interesting quest point. . .guess not :(
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:30 am

Given the state of Riften city politics, I assume the docks were the result of a corrupt single-bidder tender process orchestrated by Maven Blackbriar... sort of a Tamrielic 'Bridge to Nowhere'.
That being said, hauling yourself dripping wet up onto the pier is the best way to enter the burgh, and swan-diving off the Honeyside balcony is the best way to leave. Hooray for graft.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:37 am

i just wish the docks had been a little more important, in hundreds of hours of playing i can say i have spent less then 5 minutes on those docks. you would think some shady docks would make for an interesting quest point. . .guess not :(
Quest spoilers:
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The misc quests Helping Hand and The Raid takes place there, and the misc quest Supply and Demand and the side quest Unfathomable Depths starts there.

There's at least something to do there. :smile:
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:27 am

Quest spoilers:
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The misc quests Helping Hand and The Raid takes place there, and the misc quest Supply and Demand and the side quest Unfathomable Depths starts there.

There's at least something to do there. :smile:

thanks for the tips, off to go quest.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:03 pm

The only way it connects with other cities on the water is by the huge waterfalls and rapids near Ivarstead. In other words, the only place ships can travel to from Riften docks is to Ivarstead or the honey farm and back, and even if they did go to Ivarstead the ships would have to dock upstream so they didn't get caught in the rapids by the town. The Honey farm has a perfectly functional road and bridge that leads right to Riften, and if you think about the time and money it would take to build a dock between the two, it's far cheaper and just as fast to take the road.

So...why does Riften even have one of the biggest docks in Skyrim? The boats can't get to or from the docks to anywhere else of note, and the only way they could have gotten ships to Riften in the first place would be to build them there.

(Probably thinking to in depth about this, but it's been bugging me ever since I saw Riften :tongue:)

Fishing => :rock: it science?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:05 pm

thanks for the tips, off to go quest.

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Speat to From-Deepest-Fathoms first, the quest reward for Unfathomable depths is quite nice

Also it's one of the best places to fish. Go out of Riften, fish everything, go back into Riften, get back outside, fish and so on. ^^
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:51 am

yh, lol. That and it'll keep trying to sell you apps or little add-ons. The game won't even have a theme tune unless purchased through i-tunes.

It'll be like Fable 3 all over again with all the silly money spinning daft little dlc instead of them spending the time to make one great big decent dlc like the fans were asking for. Reading many posts at the time on the Fable forum, it was the silly money spinners that greatly insulted many of the fans loyalty. Especially as they hadn't sorted out many of the bugs at the time of them churning them out. Many have vowed never to buy a Lionhead game ever again. I'm ok as I never bought them nor did I have any bugs in my game luckily.
What are you even talking about. Bethesda has said their DLC policy is to have something substantial. Everything they've released up to now has been free.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:20 am

(Probably thinking to in depth about this, but it's been bugging me ever since I saw Riften :tongue:)
They used to have a ship lift, but it was destroyed during a skirmish between the Imperials and Stormcloaks a few years back ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boat_lift

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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:58 am

World scaling...

The lake in the lore is much, much, much, much, much bigger. Vvardenfell is smaller than Skyrim lorewise, however because of world scaling the world of Morrowind is significantly bigger than the world of Skyrim and that even though Morrowind was scaled down quite a bit compared to Daggerfall.
This has always been my take with the ES games. After all, if we take the provinces' size at face value, they would be about 10 miles x 10 miles. All of Tamriel would fit inside of Rhode Island. It just is not possible to make a game world that is the size of France or Great Britain at a 1:1 scale. Since the lake outside of Riften is big even by game standards, I imagine its real world equivalent would be something like Lake Baikul or Lake Superior.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:22 am

What are you even talking about. Bethesda has said their DLC policy is to have something substantial. Everything they've released up to now has been free.

Try reading the post I'm quoting first before commenting. We were talking about if Apple had made TES and its nothing to do with Bethesda.

That and a remark that Lionhead were similar to Apple's marketing with Fable 3
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:36 am

This has always been my take with the ES games. After all, if we take the provinces' size at face value, they would be about 10 miles x 10 miles. All of Tamriel would fit inside of Rhode Island. It just is not possible to make a game world that is the size of France or Great Britain at a 1:1 scale. Since the lake outside of Riften is big even by game standards, I imagine its real world equivalent would be something like Lake Baikul or Lake Superior.

Stop injecting sense and reason into this argument.

I want to interpret the game world literally and I'm damn well gonna!

Now then, I'm off to go stand by my bed and get some sleep.
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