Yeah, pretty much as the title says. Basically, I got ambushed, I killed a bunch of people, then I advanced to the other side of the map to retrieve the map, thinking that I`ll run into Joshua Graham or something, but that never happened. Killed everyone who attacked me (so, that`s everyone), apparently I killed a Daniel who`s kind of a big deal (even though he shot me first), then the DLC ended. Rage ensues. What happened?

You screwed up at the beginning by killing a friendly NPC called "Follows-Chalk".

Don't shoot anyone until all the people that came with you die (you can't save them). Then only attack people called "White Legs."

Thanks, but now I must ask, if rhetorically...How on earth was I supposed to know that you can`t save everyone? Or anyone? This is BS.



Really? We were ambushed - my Courier is a nice guy. Thus, he decided to help out. I mean, the battle took long enough to make it seem like I should do something...

Like honestly, I can`t believe this. Would it have killed Bethesda to have this Follows-Chalk guy show up right AFTER the fight? I don`t even have a Save file to go back to - what a waste of money.

EDIT: Furthermore, from a role-playing perspective (where there`s are no target names you can read), how was I suppose to know that I was supposed to shoot the White Legs people but not the Follows-Chalk? On first inspection, in an ambush, everyone looked the same! Sigh.

You must have some kind of save file before initiating Honest Hearts. If not, I'd kind of say you're the one to blame.

Oh and Obsidian made this, not Bethesda.

There really was no other way to do it.

They could have made a cut scene but then why would the people attacking leave you alive? Or suddenly having it so you have to fight while everyone is now focused on killing you. My own bias is I hate cut scenes.

They could have made it so you have no weapons at the start like Dead Money but fans normally don't like that.

Only real option would have been to speed up the rate at which the people that came with you die. Or make it so no one registers as hostile for the first little while or so.

Well, off the top of my head, they could have the Follows-Chalk guy come up from behind the player, and maybe shooting up at the White Legs people. When the fight is over, immediately script a conversation (``Come with me if you want to live`` kinda thing). I`m assuming the tribe from where Follows Chalk originates is not cool with the White Legs tribe, so having him in front of the player amidst the White Legs seems like a terrible idea to me.

That could also work :tops:

But then again how would the devs know which way you were facing. In the heat of the moment, people would still shoot him or the people with you would also just shoot at him.

I killed Follows-Chalk also at first. But fortunately I quick saved just before I crossed the bridge. Follows-Chalk actually comes to the player's aid. If you look carefully he has a yellow marker....it's just easy to simply get trigger happy. Also it seems that there would have been an auto save in the first cave or shortly after entering Zion for the first time....so I'm not really understanding the OP's trouble here. (?)

Um, the devs could put the guy back towards the camp (where the player starts), and advance up towards the player...shooting up at the White Legs on the cliffs, like the rest of the caravan. In the heat of the moment, so long as he`s not red on the radar, there is no way a player would turn around and shoot a friendly (tribal or not) as enemies are shooting at the player, in front of the player.

Just to be clear, this issue has NOTHING TO DO WITH the opening caravan ppl massacre. It's when you cross that bridge and someone starts firing half way across. That's where Follows Chalk pops up, and if you're already firing, ppl may hit him w/friendly fire before they realize he's friendly. Not everyone does, but enough that...um...yeah, I'm not sure how they could have done that better.

One way would have been to not have the White Legs shoot at you until you're a lot closer, such as the END of the brdige. Seriously, from the half way bridge point, the attacker is visually so far away he's like a tiny smudge on the rock. If a player doesn't run forward before attacking, you can barely see that someone else pops up behind him. At least on 1980x1080 resolution. Very tiny.

I too think this should have been handled differently, however I did have the save from just entering Zion so I was able to correct it.

Its the high level of testrostrone and PMS.

The women there are sick of the men sending them out to the river for a week.

Because they think the women are possessed by a demon.

And the fact that no one can take a descent shower and all the men.

Have that sweaty ball sack smell that women hate so much.

I saved just before, but yes, I did Sneak Attack Crit Follows-Chalk and burst his head like a melon, after which I promptly failed "Rite of Passage". Knowing something was wrong, I reloaded my save instantly to find that he was friendly.

Tbh, I preferred him when he was a headless corpse.

Yeah, I sniped the White Legs guy as Follows-Chalk came running up. I thought he was enemy reinforcements, so I promptly sniped him as well, from the bridge. Didn`t even know that he wasn`t White Legs....

yes it a nice screw up from the ones that made the scene the irony in all of it is that they actually made the first white legs wich attack u invulnerable until they kill the caravan npc , and forgot to do that with follows chalk , also if they do plan do to stupid npc's with invulnerable status they may as well make it a damn cut scene

The whole scene is a troll for those that, "Kill everything that moves" to win.

I didn't shoot Follows-Chalk because he wasn't dressed the same as the tribals that wiped out my caravan. I shot the other one that was dressed the same as the tribals that just wiped out my caravan.