The brunt of Morrowind refugees arrived at windhelm right?

Im wondering why Ulfric didnt utilize them in the civil war. Despite being honest about it or not, if he promised to help them retake Morrowind after winning their own freedom against the empire then all their problems would be solved!

Ulfric and his "True Nords" dont like the dunmer. True. But here is how an alliance would play out.

1) Dunmer refugees join the fight against the imperials.
2) Ulfric wins Skyrim.
3) Ulfric and the dunmer take morrowind back.
4) Skyrim free of Dunmer inhabitants and refugees, AS WANTED. Dunmer get Morrowind back, AS WANTED. Ulfric gets Skyrim, AS WANTED.
5) Everyones happy!

Dont say racism is in the way. That simply isnt believable. Look at WW2, the Germans despite racial purity ideology allied themselves with the japanese and Italians.

Also, the Dunmer refugees shouldnt be underestimated. We are talking about a people that is used to harsh climate, that has a really strong endurance and all come from a country filled with everyday hardship and strife. Everything from strong redoran melee fighters to powerful Telvanni magi.

1. Ulfric and the Stormcloaks are Racist to you if you are not a nord.

2. Ulfric only wants Nords on his squad. He will accept you, for some reason if you are not.

3. I'm pretty sure he just cares about Skyrim's ban of Talos.



Also. This is a game

Not real life c:


Sorry but IT IS The Racisim

I've always wondered if Ulfric was going to Morrowind when he got caught by Tullius at Dark Water Crossing.

I guess you are right. I just feels it comes across as unbelievable that Ulfric wouldnt use them. Because RL history has shown again and again how a common foe binds the strangest of alliances. I know this is a game, but the nature of people remains the same even in games. As greed, ambition, lust etc. are all universal.

Well, a large number of refugees did end up in Skyrim it is true, but Solstheim seems to have been where most ended up. The Dunmer have been returning to Morrowind to rebuild though, possibly in the area around Blacklight and starting from there.

Morrowind (as in the Dunmer nation, as opposed to the landmass specifically) or what is left of it is still considered part of the Empire. The ties between the Empire and Morrowind were strengthened significantly in the later part of Uriel VII's reign - there is a reason why he took a personal interest in the prophecy involving the Nerevarine. I wonder, did Helseth survive Red Year/Argonian invasion? To put it politely, he is an opportunistic fellow.

There's also the past history between the Dunmer and Nords to consider. My Dunmer Nerevarine, were he in a position to be at the negotiating table, would be against it. The moment both groups are out of the Empire, the Nords can go back to freely trying to take Morrowind for themselves.

I don't know how many times people have to disprove this on this forum. We might need a sticky, but Ulfric is not racist (at least not anymore than any other Jarl or Nord). This as all been argued many times only to conclude there is no solid evidence nor dialogue. To clarify the main reasons Ulfric is not racist: Free-Winter (an opposer of Ulfric and Imperial Supporting Milk-Drinker) himself states that the Argonians are better kept out of the city for their safety. And second the Dunmer established the Grey Quarters before Ulfric was even Jarl.

Most of the Dunmer in Windhelm would NEVER fight for a cause they don't care about.

Also the dunmer are arrogant and biased as they have always been.
I love it. There would be a pogrom for sure if the argonians moved into windhelm.

This is probably a strong reason. They don't want to get involved.

An interesting thing: Rolff Stone-Fist - the ONLY npc with ANY kind of connection to the Stormcloaks (he's not a SC himself, but his brother is and his friend Angrenor was) who actually SHOWS hatred towards the Dunmer - mentions the fact that they don't want to help the Stormcloaks in the war as one of the reasons why he hates them. It makes me wonder - is it possible that Ulfric in fact HAS tried to make them join his cause, and they have refused?

Pure speculation, I know, but it is known that the Dunmer community won't join the rebellion, so the question must have been raised at some point, in some way.

Well its Middle age mind set,you can go on by our own world history,giving example Lord of RIngs (the writer took world war 2 and other hitstorical event converted into mmo like medieval elf ork story) just example.When you take realy look in middle age most time nobody ally with nobody was rather exterminatus.Mostly then beaten enemies where asimilated into their own culture,not to mention becoming slaves,when later then grew in numbers there was uprisings.Then you got schooled people who took advantages of such situations,they kept most folk underschooled since they easier to control.
So you will mostly end up story line in Skyrim is picked somewhere from history what happend to some contry.Nevermind that havent payed much time about that detail what or who but if we go by our knowledge,you would end up
everyone behind in a game like skyrim with huge fortresses that are impenetrable.So we should cut some slack on the guy who made the story line in Skyrim,he tried to keep things simple middle age.

To quote a dark elf: "It's not our fight!". I bet everyone who have ever entered Windhelm knows where that line comes from. Plus isn't Morrowind still largely a smoking crater? Also fighting the argonians would be more trouble than the refugees are worth.