Bethesda,

I have Dagger fall, Own 2 Morrowinds, Oblivion +Isle and now Skyrim!!! The games are great! But! Why hook up with Stream?? I have used Stream before and hated it and it hasn't change a bit !!!!! To me Stream Flat svckS! I'm sorry great game, but I wouldn't have used stream to distribute it . Now I wish I hadn't purchased the game just because of stream! And that's tough for me to say because I have played all your games for such a long time!

It's steam, nobody forces you to play the game and it was known way before the release that skyrim would use steam. And you can play offline as i do.

I don't know what 'Stream' is but Steam is a great service and I'm glad they are using it.

lol @ Stream

Edit: Yes Steam is great, you can have all your screenshots in one place and you have the cloud should you lose your dvd.

Get it on one of the consoles then.

I dont know what other option you have, except put up with Steam.

I dont see the problem (although never used) but have heard some of the scare stories, but it seems pretty simple unless you have some obscure system that would be considered wierd that would effect using Steam.

But hey, what do I know.

[censored] , partner.
Grammer has faileded you.

And if you're such a big fan,
Why join the forums today?

What's your problem with Steam? Not a dig to you, just interested in why you don't like it. You failed to mention that in your post.

At least offline mode works in Skyrim (thank God) but I get where your from. I have had tremendous problems with Steam in the past. I know a lot ppl like it but I'm NOT a fan. Mainly bec Valve designed Steam to be a DRM first and a distribution service second. If it was the other way around, then maybe I would also be pro Steam.

Steam is great, what are you talking about?

I like how the OP doesn't even give a reason as to why he hates Steam, he just simply jumps on the "Steam svcks" bandwagon.

Can we ban all Steam posts now please? Sick and tired of it all. You need Steam to play, it's not changing and all game companies will do the same, or in EA's case you'll need their service. Its the way of the world and everyone needs to accept it or stop playing PC games. Simples!

Unless you tell us why you hate Steam, this is just pointless flaming.

We have a Steam thread here:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1286613-unofficial-steamdrm-discussion/

It's not a Steam post. It's a Stream post.

So why do you love it then?? I think it's HILARIOUS how you can't say why you like it... Are you on the "scabs on my knees" wagon for steam?

Steam was always designed first and foremost as a secure game portal. That is, you get your games with secure DRM all in one bundle.

What exactly is your issue with it being DRM?

You can:
Install your games as many times as you want, without it locking you out and forcing you to call a number to beg them to let you play your game.
Install your game on as many systems as you want, without it complaining. (Home game rig, laptop, second computer. System sitting in the closet that isn't used anymore, Two computers in the secure lab at the university, three or four at work, etc.)
Toss your retail disks and never think about them again.

Steam offers one of the nicest DRM schemes out there, and we wouldn't have the investment backing major titles without some kind of assurances being offered to people forking over the money up front that all the hard work and effort isn't going to be flushed down the drain.

Only in the gaming industry can you be treated as a potential criminal when you pay for a product.

That's what digital rights management is all about.

Imagine if you just bought a car and every time you need to drive someplace, you need to first call the dealer to verify that you actually bought the damn car once. I wonder how many people realize how stupid this is. Most people cannot comprehend it for some reason. You bought the car once. Right? What is the point of being forced to call the dealer every time you want to use it? What is gained from it? Seriously? Name something! People steal cars too. No? C'mon for crying out loud, there is no DRM in the world that will stop piracy. Ever. It's there to piss off honest customers only. The sooner you thick headed geeks realize this the better for everyone. At least a criminal in prison realize when hes being [censored] up in the ass.

Lol are you serious? This thread isn't about why I love steam. If the OP is going to make a thread saying "Steam svcks" you better say why, or you just look like an idiot.

And if you want reasons why Steam is great, then just look at the post by Luckless.

That is not the same as no steam. Will you people stop bringing it up as a valid counter. It is not. Just because you turn off the internet part of steam does not remove steam from the equation. Nor does offline mode protect you from updates. And before you try and say it does, go attempt to launch Skyrim from the TESV.exe It will start up steam. This was Valve's doing and it broke their own agreement.

Personally, I dislike Steam. Part of that, certainly, comes from the fact that I had issues the very first time I ever had to use it, which left me seeing it as something irritating and unhelpful.

@Luckless

For me, at least, this is not a bad thing in and off itself, but emphasises the point-- I have games from years ago that I can install as many times as I want. At least on a purely-conceptual level, Steam is a return to what was good (rather than 'X Installs' for each game), but that does not necessarily make it good in itself-- to use the car example someone posted above, it is like saying 'this car can be refilled with petrol', it is something that should be standard, not 'a special feature'.
Multi-installs is definitely good-- but most games I have will play without the disk anyway -- note, however, that I do not play the majority of my games on PC, so those that do work like this may certainly be the minority; this is just my experience.

@Echonite
I agree with your points. But I do have one question (open to anyone): where is this 'patch' that does this?? I have been on Steam loads for playing Skyrim, and not got this update... :/ (Yes, I just checked-- the .exe does not load Steam at all for me... )

Stream? What stream?

I think streams of water are a nice touch to Skyrim's landscape. What's your problem with streams?

Yeah streaming skyrim would svck i reckon

I cant see what all the fuss is about finally getting my pc back after a few years without it (pure gaming pc) I recentley had to use steam for Football Manager 2012 and New vegas I haven't had any issues with it at all very fast and reliable service I dont get all the hate for it come on fnv +dlc for around ￡10 what's not too like.

Please tell me you were joking when using improper grammar.

I hate the man, I have no idea why I hate the man, but I do. It is the in hipster thing to do, hate the man…. I am the 99%, the man must pay! The man offers me services for free and places to store my stuff, but I hate him. All this crap for 50% off? Really? The man will not tempt me!! The man svcks…..I hate the man....I am cool.

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Seriously? For a car, you are given this small device with which to interface with your car to show that you are the owner, and not some random dude off the street who opened the door and sat down. It is called a key.

Also, last I checked you are required to carry proof of ownership with you while driving your car, which may be inspected at any time by law-enforcement. Which means getting pulled over, possibly for several minutes, and delayed.

I don't know about you, but I much prefer dealing with a quick "call-back" check that occurs without my notice or interaction every time I'm using my computer than having to deal with random traffic checkpoints. I have spent far more time dealing with traffic stops in my life than I have with Steam's DRM, and I've only ever been a passenger in the cars at the time.


Oh, and if you hate DRM, don't buy games using it. You can enjoy your cheap independent games with budgets in the thousands or less, Pay-to-Play MMOs, or Ad based games. Have fun.