Will Dragonborn reveal what happened to the Dwemer?

Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:15 pm

Since we are going to visit the realm of Forbidden Knowledge, Apocrypha, wouldn't it be plausible to come across a book or scroll or something there that tells us what happened to the Dwemer? Would you want something like that or would you want to save the surprise for another time?
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Sophh
 
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:45 am

They have already told us what happened to the Dwemer.

They became the brass skin of Numidium.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:34 pm

It is known and has been since Morrowind
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:17 am

I know people are going to jump me for this, but I have never really played Morrowind. Was waiting till I got a better video card that could run Morrowind with MSGO to really exprience Morrwind at its fullest. Is it true what altadoon said?
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:41 am

I know people are going to jump me for this, but I have never really played Morrowind. Was waiting till I got a better video card that could run Morrowind with MSGO to really exprience Morrwind at its fullest. Is it true what altadoon said?
ya, a quest in skyrim sorta hints to it as well
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:29 am

I know people are going to jump me for this, but I have never really played Morrowind. Was waiting till I got a better video card that could run Morrowind with MSGO to really exprience Morrwind at its fullest. Is it true what altadoon said?

yes, the only question left is why the Numidium didn't activated when the Dwemer became one in him, there are two theories involving Yagrum Bagarn the last living Dwemer that we find in Morrowind,
or the Numidium didn't activated because it wasn't complete without Yagrum (who was in another plane during that events) or he was purposely lefted behind with the mission to activate the Numidium
but forgot his objective when we contracted Corprus :smile:
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:57 pm

There is always a search option....
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:36 am

ya know. we seem to have many a 'lore buff' in the forums, I'm sure someone could explain what happened to the Dwemer w/o being total Deebags about it.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:24 am

There are several theories as to the disappearance of the Dwemer. No one knows the true facts. This is what makes them so fascinating. Here are a few theories (from UESP):

"The Dwemer inexplicably disappeared during the Battle of Red Mountain, the biggest and final battle of the War of the First Council. The Tonal Architect Lord Kagrenac of the Dwemer constructed Kagrenac's Tools to harness the powers of the Heart of Lorkhan, which the Dwemer had discovered beneath Red Mountain. When the Chimer found out, they considered this aim blasphemous and sought to stop it. Kagrenac's goal remains unclear, but it is believed he sought to heighten his race to Anumidum. The disappearance of a whole race in an instant sparked many theories, but is generally thought to have followed this attempt to use the tools on the Heart, and simply coincided with the war. It appears that the Dwemer were conflicted on their use of the Heart. Some opposed its use, warning that massive side effects were likely, while the majority of the Tonal Architects, including Kagrenac, and Bthuand Mzahnch (who wrote The Egg of Time which downplayed the risks of tampering with the Heart of Lorkhan) wished to proceed.

It appears all members of the Dwemer race were simply removed from the world. When the previously untouched Dwemer ruins of Bamz-Amschend in Mournhold were rediscovered, numerous piles of ashes were present next to weapons and armor, on chairs, and in beds, suggesting the Dwemers' bodies were suddenly reduced to ash in some way. In 4E 201, Arniel Gane, a researcher at the College of Winterhold in Skyrim, attempted to recreate the circumstances of the Dwemer's disappearance after obtaining Keening, one of Kagrenac's Tools, but vanished suddenly in the process, strengthening the theory that Kagrenac's use of the tools was the cause of the disappearance. Some scholars still resist the notion that the Dwemer disappeared all at once.

A theory also exists that their sudden extinction was caused by their reversal of the usual processes involved in the Earth Bones, the laws of nature. Rather than creating the profane by commanding the sacred, such as in Conjuration magic or Daedra worship, they sought to create Anumidium, their own sacred, from the "deaths of the profane." Vivec, the warrior-poet god of the Dunmer, similarly believes that the disappearance of the Dwemer is in some way owed to their "divine sin"—attempting to create a god for their own purposes from the remains of the god Lorkhan. Whether their use of Kagrenac's Tools in this process or simply their intentions resulted in their extinction remains unclear in this theory.

According to Chimarvamidium, the Dwemer possessed an ability that was known as "The Calling," which seems to have been similar to telepathy. It allowed the Dwemer to communicate with each other over great distances. It has been suggested that, in the last moments before they disappeared, Lord Kagrenac used The Calling to summon all of the Dwemer people and rally them to carry out his plans to transcend the Mortal Plane. Whether this was related to their demise or not is uncertain."
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:38 pm

ya know. we seem to have many a 'lore buff' in the forums, I'm sure someone could explain what happened to the Dwemer w/o being total Deebags about it.

Pfft. Why would we do that when there's a perfectly good search button to when that happened years ago? :P

But yeah, giant robot, heart of a god, probably a [censored] in there too. Can't have a good myth without phaluses, after all.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 1:34 pm

I know people are going to jump me for this, but I have never really played Morrowind. Was waiting till I got a better video card that could run Morrowind with MSGO to really exprience Morrwind at its fullest. Is it true what altadoon said?
No, not at all.

There are some diehards who insist that the dwemer went into the skin of numidium and lost their individual identities, and with the destruction of Numidium came the final destruction of all dwemer except for yagrum bagarn. An examination of all official (non-fan created) lore and all developer statements reveals that the assumption that the dwemer are definitively gone is completely incorrect and simply reflects an individual need for absolute certainty. What is extremely clear upon examining lore and developer statements is that the entire dwemer issue has been left quite deliberately vague - a funny, slightly sadistic but fundamentally shrewd move by Bethesda.

What is more productive to examine is:
Assuming the dwemer do not make a reappearance (which I would prefer - I find them highly unlikeable and consider them a race of schizoid anarchistic nihilistic maniacs), what will happen with all the technology they left behind, and what marvels/monstrosities buried deep in dwemer ruins remain to be uncovered?

The dwemer may never reappear in Nirn (and I hope that remains true), but their malign influence is far from spent.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 10:50 am

ya know. we seem to have many a 'lore buff' in the forums, I'm sure someone could explain what happened to the Dwemer w/o being total Deebags about it.
I know alot of the lore behind TES tbh But like i said I haven't played Morrowind, and so I dont know what happened to the Dwemer exactly. But thank you.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:11 pm

No, not at all.

While it is debatable whether the Dwemer really became the skin of Numidium, it is beyond doubt that they used it to reach the final subgradient.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 9:49 am

There might be an answer... though the shock of knowing the truth may strike us mad... or blind.



Or both.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:25 am

What is with people trying to find out what happened with the Dwemer? It's already been proven that the entire race became the golden skin of Numidium. There you go.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 11:54 am

What is with people trying to find out what happened with the Dwemer? It's already been proven that the entire race became the golden skin of Numidium. There you go.

*brass skin
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:31 pm

What is with people trying to find out what happened with the Dwemer? It's already been proven that the entire race became the golden skin of Numidium. There you go.


This is TES. It's never that simple.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:38 am

What is with people trying to find out what happened with the Dwemer? It's already been proven that the entire race became the golden skin of Numidium. There you go.

Not proven. Actually, it seems to may be a misconception. There was talk about it in the lore forums.
But that's only for the skin part. Everything else is pretty much acurate.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 5:07 pm

What is with people trying to find out what happened with the Dwemer? It's already been proven that the entire race became the golden skin of Numidium. There you go.
Well it appears not everyone thinks the same as you. Based on other peoples comments in this thread alone, the Dwemer may not have been turned into the skin of Numidium, which tbh is a very boring end for the Dwemer. Why not do something more fantastic and shocking with the Dwemer instead of turning them into sheet metal on a giant robot.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 4:41 pm

Well it appears not everyone thinks the same as you. Based on other peoples comments in this thread alone, the Dwemer may not have been turned into the skin of Numidium, which tbh is a very boring end for the Dwemer. Why not do something more fantastic and shocking with the Dwemer instead of turning them into sheet metal on a giant robot.
Why does it have to super uber deep for the Dwemer to dissappear? They became the brass skin of Numidium. People try make things more complicated than they actually are. I makes me want to :wallbash: :facepalm:
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:23 am

Why does it have to super uber deep for the Dwemer to dissappear? They became the brass skin of Numidium. People try make things more complicated than they actually are. I makes me want to :wallbash: :facepalm:

Even if they became the skin, it is a bit more complicated than just becoming the skin of a robot.
Numidium was a vessel. A divine vessel for an entire race to ascend to the final state of existence.
CHIM is a way to reach it. Dracochryalis is a way to reach it. Numidium is a way to reach it.
Whether it actually worked or if they became the skin or not, is totally unknown... but it isn't really imporant to their story, anyways.
Their disapperance is detailed enough already.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:39 pm

Why does it have to super uber deep for the Dwemer to dissappear? They became the brass skin of Numidium. People try make things more complicated than they actually are. I makes me want to :wallbash: :facepalm:
All because people want a deep story that makes them think you want to bang your head against a wall and facepalm yourself? This is the reason there are so many mediocre games these days, people just accept crappy lackluster stories.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:51 pm

All because people want a deep story that makes them think you want to bang your head against a wall and facepalm yourself? This is the reason there are so many mediocre games these days, people just accept crappy lackluster stories.

The Numidium skin thing isn't crappy and lackluster in my book. It's just not a secret anymore, so it's not exciting.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 12:46 pm

Even if they became the skin, it is a bit more complicated than just becoming the skin of a robot.
Numidium was a vessel. A divine vessel for an entire race to ascend to the final state of existence.
CHIM is a way to reach it. Dracochryalis is a way to reach it. Numidium is a way to reach it.
Whether it actually worked or if they became the skin or not, is totally unknown... but it isn't really imporant to their story, anyways.
Their disapperance is detailed enough already.
I already know all of that. If people haven't figured out already that the Dwemer were trying to reach divinity and CHIM, it's sad.
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Post » Fri Nov 30, 2012 7:06 am

WAIT!

I figured it out!

No, i'm not kidding and I'm not trolling. I swear to you.

Consider the following, TES comrades:
Kagrenac made all the dwemer in Nirn except Yagrum vanish into a puff of smoke. Yagrum didn't disappear in a puff of smoke because he wasn't in Nirn at the time (side note: the fact that he was the ONLY dwemer not invited to Kagrenac's party I think is definitive proof that Yagrum is the ultimate dork.)
Yagrum also definitively stated that he went looking for his people in Oblivion and couldn't find them. According to him, he searched everywhere in Oblivion. Frankly, that's hard to believe, but let's take his word for it - after all, the dwemer weren't daedra worshippers, so there's no fundamental justification for a Daedra sweeping up all the dwemer souls and storing them on some part of Oblivion.

So what does this mean?
If the dwemer souls had indeed been swept up into the metallic skin of numidium, their souls would still be in the fragments of numidium scattered here and there. After all, souls aren't supposed to be destroyable in Nirn or any other plane. Yet no one has ever been able to draw a soul out of a segment of metal that was part of Numidium. You can be sure that many a wizard has tried, because numidium's skin would be a veritably inexhaustible source of high end soul gems. Yet this has never happened.

So:
- there are no dwemer souls in oblivion.
- there are no dwemer souls in the skin of numidium.

Are there any other dwemer besides fat ol' nerdy deformed dorky Yagrum?

YES, THERE ARE.

In various places, you can find dwemer ghosts hanging around.
And THIS IS THE KEY.

Kagrenac swept up every living dwemer soul in Nirn, but didn't take them or send them to another plane or to the skin of the numidium (since they can't be found in the skin.)

THAT MEANS THE DWEMER ARE STILL SOMEWHERE IN NIRN!

Now this doesn't mean that the dwemer are walking around on some island way out to sea, tanning on the beach, eating pineapples and coconuts, and sipping on pina coladas and cuba libre's. But at the very least, their SOULS are somewhere on Nirn, other than the Numidium.

What does that leave us with?
Well, one possibility is that all those soul gems we keep finding in the automatons still patrolling and maintaining the dwemer ruins are filled with dwemer souls. That would be a potential explanation.
Another explanation can be derived from the evidence left by the ash piles in morrowind. It seems that there simply weren't enough ash piles to account for all the dwemer.
Again - I'm not suggesting that the dwemer have been spending their days on Fantasy Island in the middle of the ocean, rubbing elbows with Ricardo Montalban and that funny little midget with the french accent.
But in this scenario it becomes highly probable that some of the dwemer survived kagrenac's experiment, while others were turned to ash. Those that survived HAVE to be somewhere on Nirn - perhaps on an undiscovered island or continent, or perhaps in some undiscovered dwemer facilities very deep underground. This would also explain why dwemer ruins have functioning air and water delivery systems and automatons patrolling and repairing - the combat robots represent a periphery scout or picket, and the maintenance bots are helping keep the machinery running that provides fresh air and water to teh dwemer in their deep underground habitats.

That's the deal. The souls of the dwemer are either in automaton soul gems, or in their still-existing bodies somewhere on Nirn, and the race is (for the moment) safely hidden.

For you 'skin of numidium' adherents: don't get upset. It's simply a logical deduction, and the logic is inescapable.

It still doesn't mean we'll see the crazy freaks ever again. But that possibility does exist.
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