I am a PS3 owner and I'll tell you something right now, I LOVE IT! But let's talk about Xbox 360. Look at Halo Reach, it won't run on some of the Xbox 360's as a matter of fact many Xbox 360 owners are having this problem. I read that the Xbox doesn't recognize the disc as a game or something like that. I'll tell you something Xbox 360 owners, I'm sorry for you I really am but I am pretty sure this is not going to be the only game having this kind of problem. I hope Crysis 2 will run on Xbox but like Halo Reach there is no guarantee.

Wow your misinformed the ps3 wouldn't be able to run Crysis 2 if it weren't":dumbed down" graphical wise
And im pretty sure bunjie isn't going to develop a game that 360 can not handle

A 360 exclusive that doesnt work on the 360!? Just play it on the other platform.




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[quote]A 360 exclusive that doesnt work on the 360!? Just play it on the other platform.

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Oh wait.[/quote]

LMAO.

The disc read error is not related to how graphically intensive the game is, its related to the disc manufacturing being faulty (and most likely done in 3rd world countries).

If the game was too intensive, it would send a wave of RRoD's instead of disc failures (as if RRoD waves never happened before). xD

Crysis 2 is made for both consoles the same way at the same time I forgot what it was called though :S

[quote]Crysis 2 is made for both consoles the same way at the same time I forgot what it was called though :S[/quote]
Its called life create, and I think it means 360 version and ps3 version will look the same, Pc will probaly be better but I can' afford a 1500 euro computer just to play games

Nope, you're kind of wrong.

Yes it's called "LiveCreate". It allows you to make a game up on PC, and it will be made simultaneously on both the consoles.

Crytek said themselves in the past that they're going to achieve the best out of the hardware for each platform, so I can assume the PS3 & 360 won't be the same, considering the amount of stuff you can do on PS3.

Also, to Nano_Mike, I hope you're not one of those PS3 fanboys who are going to bash the 360 owners due to that problem with the disc read error (Sorry if this sounds harsh, but it sounds like your post is directly pointing towards that).

The fault that occurred for those who brought Reach is something unfortunate. In any case, it won't happen the Crysis 2. It perhaps was a manufacturing error.

Rednael, my pc costs ￡600 and i'll max crysis 2, just like a i max crysis 1, and i'm insane for spending that much (what can i say, i wanted a hd5870), so please for the love of god stop spouting the '￡1500' crap just becase that's how much an alienware costs -_-.

It's in the same league of ignorance as saying consoles don't have online multiplayer.

Anyways, sorry if that came off harsh, but someone needs to tell you or you'll never know! you never know, in a few days i'll bring you the bombshell that i've paid less on gaming on PC (with a high end computer) than my 360 owning friend in the last 5 years, and i buy around the same amount of games. Or maybe i'll drop that now.

Anyway, the 360 will OF COURSE run crysis 2, halo reach runs fine on the xbox, sure it's got some horrible framerate issues at times, and the ghosting effects can go die in a fire, but it does run. Crysis 2 will look decent and will be close to the ps3 version, if not equal

The PC version will, of course, look better though. Even a ￡300 PC that i could build right now would run it at much better settings than the consoles (i.e. high at a minimum of 720p, but most likely somewhere around 168x1050 with 30fps+)

Just to qualify the 360 statement, because i know it'll cause some 'zomg bs' claims

360 game: ￡45
PC Game: ￡30

I buy around 5-10 games a year, across 5 years that's been around a saving of ￡350-600.

XBL: ￡40 a year
PC: None

Saving: ￡200

Hardware costs:
Xbox (at launch) ￡280 + wifi n = ￡330
PC: ~￡600 x 2 over the last 5 years = ￡1200

So overall costs are this:

xbox (5 games pear year) = 1655
(10 games per year) = 2780
PC (5 games per year) = 1950
(10 games per year) = 2700

so as we see, at 10 games a year, they completely even out. So if you do play a lot of games the PC wins out as a basic thing. But, of course, most players will be closer to the former (5 games) which gives a ￡300 advantage to 360.

Now, here's the killer, you'll be buying a PC if you buy an xbox 360 anyway, which then causes this saving to disappear entirely. Then factor in the better image quality and modding support pc gaming has and viola! we have a winner!

[quote]Rednael, my pc costs ￡600 and i'll max crysis 2, just like a i max crysis 1, and i'm insane for spending that much (what can i say, i wanted a hd5870), so please for the love of god stop spouting the '￡1500' crap just becase that's how much an alienware costs -_-. [/quote]

Whilst I would say the same thing, you have to consider he lives in Europe, different currency, different prices.

Considering their exchange rate is higher than our GBP, it would cost alot.

But then again, there should be vendors who would sell it cheaper.

Apart from currency conversion, the prices are about the same

[quote]Just to qualify the 360 statement, because i know it'll cause some 'zomg bs' claims

360 game: ￡45
PC Game: ￡30

I buy around 5-10 games a year, across 5 years that's been around a saving of ￡350-600.

XBL: ￡40 a year
PC: None

Saving: ￡200

Hardware costs:
Xbox (at launch) ￡280 + wifi n = ￡330
PC: ~￡600 x 2 over the last 5 years = ￡1200

So overall costs are this:

xbox (5 games pear year) = 1655
(10 games per year) = 2780
PC (5 games per year) = 1950
(10 games per year) = 2700

so as we see, at 10 games a year, they completely even out. So if you do play a lot of games the PC wins out as a basic thing. But, of course, most players will be closer to the former (5 games) which gives a ￡300 advantage to 360.

Now, here's the killer, you'll be buying a PC if you buy an xbox 360 anyway, which then causes this saving to disappear entirely. Then factor in the better image quality and modding support pc gaming has and viola! we have a winner![/quote]

Also, X720 will not run the games that were made for the 360, but a PC will most likely run all the games you purchased for the old PC.

nice one.
i'm gonna assume you're just some kid who's mind doesn't yet accept the concept that there are other people out there who simply know more than you, and so you post fabrications like this on the internet expecting people to take you seriously.

Halo Reach is the first game to ever cause this exact problem, before Halo Reach hundreds of games were released, all working fine, including Halo 3 and ODST which use almost the same engine. I do not know the specifics of the problem but if it wasn't there before then there MUST be a way to get rid of it. Either way it's not the system's fault, it's the disc that causes the problem, thus this thread is a useless fanboy trap and if OP isn't a 12 year old, he's a troll.

Hmmm, it will do just fine. I don't have a PS3, only a 360, BUT, I'd love a PS3. It just tickles me to death that someone automatically goes for the 'ol "It can't handle it, look at Halo: Reach." For your information the problem with Reach wasn't graphical problems at all, but the console itself. The S model and a few of the VERY old generation xbox's were having problems. So before you go bashin, learn up. Last time I checked the PS3 HAD to have a cd in it to play netflix......lol.

LOL OP fails.

All Xbox's are the same. Crytek said it will run on the Xbox - it will run on the xbox.

@InternetWhiteKnight - I almost never do this but you went out on a limb with your 'Halo Reach is the first game to ever cause this exact problem'. Singularity and Resident Evil 5 were also produced and distributed with Disc Defects causing affected batches to also be unreadable. :] My brother had purchased the Resident Evil Edition Red Xbox 360 and his disc was bad, this is how I originally found out about the problem. Fortunately, you are right in saying that this is a rare occurrence. Also, since EA will be Distributing Crytek's Crysis 2 and they have a fairly good track record for bad units. I suspect that Crysis 2 will be safe.

However, something Halo Reach did do was knock my socks off for being one of the best gaming experiences I have had to date. The multiplayer is awesome and fast. I am still amazed how seldom I get disconnected from someone, and I absolutely love the way it records the entire game, front to back, top to bottom, inside and out, so that I can watch all the strategies unfold over and over at my own leisure. The game is great homage to the original.

I hope we can find a way to prevent the fanboy-ism from clouding the facts. I have some opinion on what I like about each system if you feel like reading more.

@Nano_Mike - I have multiple PS3s, Xboxs, and Wiis and often times own multiple versions of the same game on different platforms. If Crysis 2 has a console editor, I will likely own one of each of that too. I mention this only because it allows me first hand experience in comparing how each system, 360 and PS3, old or slim, stack up against each other. I am interested in the hardwares, the games, and the communities.

Although both consoles tend to have exclusive titles in the areas where they shine, there are still an awful lot of games that are cross platform. In my experience, video playback and audio channel separation tends to be better on my PS3. I believe this is a software reason. For my setup, I use an Optical Cable for both my 360 and PS3. They both go into the same receiver, and out the same 7.1 speakers. So the comparison can be as direct as can be. The depth of sound on my PS3 often feels more realistic because the spacializer sounds more correct. For example, if I throw a grenade down in Far Cry 2 and spin around in circles with my eyes closed, the PS3 sounds truer to the spacial relationship between me and the explosion as it goes all the way around me.

Using the Blu-Ray format and uncompressing the video for playback with the most recent PS3 drivers in my opinion is also clearer on the PS3. On my 360s I often see boxes and gradation lines betweens shades of gray. I do however recognize that because I went to school for animation and dabbled in film and compositing, I am more educated on what to look for. HD formats compress the video a lot. The better DVD, HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray players out there are more expensive because of their ability to uncompress the data and translate it without the artifacting/etc. I mentioned before. I play games in a blackout room on both a HD Movie Projector displaying an 8 foot wide picture and a separate 60inch LED TV. These Displays, their resolutions, and their size compound all flaws and imperfections of a game or movie.

Video playback and audio channel separation don’t make me believe the PS3 is better, as before I mentioned they are both good at what they do. Since the PS3 has a lower amount of processing power which would be the equivalent a PCs RAM is smaller than the ‘RAM’ area of a 360. Since the power of the systems is used differently it is hard to make a direct comparison with specific terms. Think of it like the power for the type of process. Generally speaking, ram is used for a certain purpose. Since the PS3 has less of this, developers will often install or load larger sections of the game onto the hard drive of the PS3. This is the reason on the PS3 you are constantly installing. Metal Gear Solid is a great example of this. The levels are fairly short, and between those levels are lots of long video playback. The PS3 does not need to load or install video playback as Blu-Ray is one to one play and watch response time. The drives aren’t usually referred to as a 2x - 50x like traditional DVD Players were because of this and some other reasons.

On the 360 there is little or no installation. This can be done more effectively because the temporary information needed can be loaded in and out off the disc and into the ‘RAM’ type memory often. The information on a DVD can also be accessed at a different speed then that on a Blu-Ray, although that element makes little to no difference. As a result, 360 exclusive games will often times have longer or larger levels with videos that use the games engine instead. When I play FarCry2 on my PS3 I notice a distinct difference in when an object changes polygon states. Many games use a substitution method for the assets in their games. Basically, the closer you are, the more polygons something has. This allows the light and shadow to fall on it better, it to have better form up close, and to reduce the strain on the systems when displaying lots of objects at one time that exist in the distance. On my PS3 I notice the distances when the states change because they happen closer. For example, if I am roughly 10 feet away from an object in the game I notice the model change to a simpler form, and then again at 50ish feet. On my 360 those distances often times feel farther. I would estimate 10% further before the change happens. Although this does not really effect gameplay, the popping effect can sometimes be distracting. There is also a method where models fade from one state to another. Most games that use the Unreal Engine fade.

Something else that the 360 accelerates at is its Voice and Communication services. Although you may not think this is that important at first, it drives the online community. It is as important as having a keyboard on a computer. Microsoft also announce recently that they will be upgrading the voice services even more and that consumers should expect even clearer sound from others in their headsets. It is very easy to communicate with someone on the 360 with an inexpensive headset. The amount of bandwidth required to keep this telephone type connection is relatively low. Xbox Live has grown tremendously strong as a result of this method of communicating and its players and games have adapted to expect it as an important and completely integrated piece. When I am on my PS3 I mostly communicate with others through text. Part of this is because the signal is not as clear, and part of it is because the community doesn’t use voice the same. When I am on my 360 so much of what I play is entwined by my experiences with other players. How I see them, hear them, and interact with them drives the emersion.

Since you have a PS3, I’d expect you will be getting the new Killzone and I would love to play against you some time. If you decide to try out a 360, Halo is a game you can count on to have great matches, 24/7. I would also enjoy playing against you on Halo too.

@neokenisis
Multiple consoles at one time!?!?!?
FFS just upgrade your computer trust me gaming Pc's are about 10x better than consoles in almost every way except for affordability
I could make a very long list of the reasons why but i don't feeling like writing 8 paragraphs ;3

Besides even if your not a tech person the PC editor's / SDK allow you to create almost anything without any limits (Except your pc specs..but that depends still ;3)

[quote]Wow your misinformed the ps3 wouldn't be able to run Crysis 2 if it weren't":dumbed down" graphical wise
And im pretty sure bunjie isn't going to develop a game that 360 can not handle[/quote]

Yeah true that, the ps3 will have less graphical quality than the PC. Crytek said that owners with good PCs would definitely have a better graphical experience. But the graphics still look like they are going to be really good

OP really fails. Did he not know that most videos are played in console hardware? And from the looks of the button, all of em are 360. He obviously is a troll.

On Topic:
Crysis 2 will be thoroughly tested throughout our development stages, these will ensure a Maximum quality product and experience. We will do everything we can to make sure that the game runs just as well on each system.

@neokinesis - Great Post.

Off Topic:
@ Console vs. PC

I have a PC and an Xbox360, for me the experiences are completely different. With the PC I can get fully stuck in with anything that I play, but I have to sit at my desk in an upright position. With my Xbox360 I feel a lot more relaxed and can lay back on my sofa whilst playing, this is ideal for racing games and others that I can take my time with.

They are worlds apart for sure, but I wouldn't ever say that one was better than the other. I started off with the Commodore and Amiga PC's, from there the next family purchase was a PlayStation - My first true console experience, and without a doubt one of the most important moments of my career. If you played Destruction Derby, Crash Bandicoot or Wipeout 'the first time around', you'll know what I mean.

Whilst I can understand now a days that people may not have had the chance to see these consoles and PC's develop the way I and many others have, I still can't get over the comparison aggression. You could easily compare it to that of a religious war, people pick sides and remain adamant that theirs is the best,however, most people are content to just follow their own choices and disregard the vocal minority, yet a few members of the community choose to be overly vocal and use forums as a platform to berate people's console / Personal Computer choices, to counter this, a game of tit-for-tat is being played out with each follower becoming more crude and obnoxious than the last.

We must learn that people have a right to their own opinion, but you shouldn't be subject to abuse or trolling for asking a well thought out, well written post. Which is highly encouraged!

To be honest, although i'm not sure how these cycles work out (i've had a pc for 4 years (and a 360 too), before then i've always had consoles and no internet, so i didn't encounter the vocal minority) but i can imagine that the resentment towards multiplatform titles will only grow and grow from PC gamers the longer it takes for a new console generation (which, according to m$ may be 2015), because their computers are getting more and more over the top to be shackled with graphica achievable in 2006.

Indeed, even common netbooks will start being neck and neck with the gaming console next year, it's kind of an embarresment to sony and m$ that they've allowed puny, cheap portable computers designed for light internet use 9and around ￡200) to surpass the performance of their 'gaming' platforms. By 2015 this situation will be so bad that iphones will be a better platform than the current consoles!

Tech is moving at a rapid rate, so i can definitely see the resentment towards consoles from PC gamers. But to take it out on the people who buy consoles is utterly out of line, they've done nothing wrong. Who are doing something wrong is M$ and sony, who are quite happy to hold this medium back for their own money accumulating schemes. So don't blame the gamers, go and beat up on M$ and sont to upgrade their consoles already!

OFF TOPIC:
[quote]@neokinesis - Great Post.[/quote]
Thanks Cry-Lee. F-Zero and Tomber Raider blew my mind when I was younger. I was also a huge fan of Warhawk. I definitely know what you mean..

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@kesuga7 I have a pretty beefy PC also but I prefer to use it work mostly. It is rarely connected to the internet beyond emailing. Since I currently work in the Social division of the Gaming Industry, everything I do at work is online and with a computer. When I am at home I don’t want all the extra stuff. I like that the process has been streamlined to, just me, my game, and my headset. Occasionally I’ll hook up an external device for some music, or just stream from another room. If I want to play with friends there is a spot right next to me on the big comfy couch.

On my PC I do a lot of Writing, Game Design, Digital Art, 3-D Modeling, Animation, Film Editing, and Illustration. You could probably imagine it has to have all the bells and whistles for some of those programs. XSI, Maya, and Zbrush tend to be Render hogs, I have my own Render farm or sorts when I need to make a push to get some images out quickly.

An initial Level Design sketched for a Multiplayer Level I made
http://www.neokinesis.com/fcm/ssconcept01.jpg

Some quick concept/clothing designs for the Young Protagonist in an unreleased Title
http://www.neokinesis.com/fcm/protag01.jpg

A Sam Liu line drawing of Iron Man that I colored Digitally
http://www.neokinesis.com/fcm/imcolor01.jpg

However, what I really prefer is sitting down at a light table with a pen and pencil or doodling on my Graphics Tablet in Photoshop or Illustrator the most. Something about it feels a lot more raw. I feel more connected to what I am doing and this too is why I probably prefer my console. With the PC there is very few ways to play, mostly just Keyboard and Mouse. The precision of the computer can be nice but when being creative it is sometimes important for me to have the flexibility to make a mistake. I do my best artwork in the woods up the mountain from my house.


ON TOPIC:
There are a number of different types of 3D technologies. Will the 360 version of Crysis2 use the same type of 3D as the PS3 and PC? I have seen Shutter Switching 3D on the PC and believe PS3 uses a similar technology. Microsoft has been quiet about adopting the same type of 3D but has included Color Lenses versions of 3D with other titles like Batman Arkham Asylum.

OK THE PS3 IS MORE POWERFUL THAN XBOX BUT PC IS ON THE TOP BUT NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD A HIGH-END GAMING PC. THANK GOD I GOT PS3 40GB AND IT STILL WORKS TODAY!

THANKS CRY-LEE FOR HELPING ME THERE I DON'T MEAN TO UPSET ANYONE.