http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2013/02/15/comparing-the-open-world-of-the-witcher-3-wild-hunt.aspx

Agreed with everything said.. Well they complement Bethesda for their world .. They said the characters were badly written and they cannot remember 5 of the characters after playing the game.. They also said the game felt vey generic and they want the Witcher 3 to learn from the strengths and flaws of Skyrim.. They also liked the vistas in Skyrim and wanted to add the same thing to Witcher 3, which is said to be 20% bigger than Skyrim..

I am hoping this competition will make Bethesda a better developer in the end

I love developer videos, always curious how the dev's think. thanks.

...Okay? Good for Witcher 3, I guess?

It's a little to late to change Skyrim, and a little too early to be getting into this now for the next game.

Fine.. Words of Wisdom for Bethesda a bit aswell..

I doubt they'll even click your link. They aren't exactly obligated too.

I agree...
they should see a doctor, it's not normal.

Bethesda? Well.. They aren't obligated to do anything.. I just put this vid up because it kinda touches on the flaws of the game.. I do believe I have a right to post even if it won't change Bethesda in the slightest.. You mine aswell go to everyother thread in this forum and tell them all that.. Nobody is gonna get what they want in the end, right?

I think they meant, they couldn't remember a character as in personality and not name wise..

The outstanding sales success of Skyrim has started a revolution in modern rpg, which is somewhat lol'able because developers like BioWare and CdProjekt might burn their wings trying to implement open world to their story driven rpg's.

What would be stopping them? Bioware are quite bad, so I wouldn't really compare Skyrim or CD Projekt with them.. CD Projekt has great writing and the world had closed cells which were still enjoyable.. But having a open world in Witcher 3 would make a game like Skyrim inferior in my eyes so I don't really see how a Story driven RPG cannot have a open world..

Meh I still would've preferred if TW3 wasn't going open-world. I want to believe they can keep the characterization and good writing and add open world to it as well. So we shall see.

I prefer them stay to their roots aswell but I want to see them prove everybody wrong by making a vast open world game with good writing and quests.. Most people think you can't have both..

Since none of these big studios has yet managed to pull off expansive open worlds (a la TES) and great narratives altogether, it's probably difficult. It's probably difficult to balance the freedom vs focus ratio. I do like the fact they decided to try, but I'm not yet very confident.

I love CDPR, but they aren't especially humble in their promotional stuff. It's not always becoming. The Witcher is an entirely different ballgame, with a fixed character for starters, so they should stick to building on their own success from Witcher 2. I suspect these comments were to pacify their own fans who think Skyrim is beneath them and/or are wringing their hands about CDPR changing their approach.

What about fallout new vegas? It is open world and has good narrative.

Well that was not done by a big studio sooo yeah.....

I'm looking forward to The Witcher 3 but Bethesda's strengths, we've always known this, have nothing to do with writing and characterisation.

I wouldn't call it an 'expansive open world'. It was decent, but nothing to what we're used to with Bethesda games.

Piranaha Bytes does open world games too. It wouldn't qualify as open to most though as you can't do 'whatever you want'. And they aren't exactly 'AAA' either, huh? I'll shut up. But before I go -- Konrad Tomaszkiewicz for president!

Yeah, New Vegas was good, but not Beth good in respect to the implementation of open world. Personally, I felt Skyrim had some pretty good characters. There are just SOOO many. The good ones get lost among the filler.

And "open world" is not some secret ingredient you just sprinkle in the pot and mix and PRESTO! Awesomeness. In fact a poorly implemented open world will svck the life right out of a good game. When CD Projekt Red said "20% bigger than Skyrim," that made me raise an eyebrow. A studio going from story focused, closed world to immediately trying to outstrip the king of openworld? Yeah, until they do it call me skeptical.

Bethesda is quite rich.. If there is a problem in one field you fix it.. In other words, fire the writers and get new ones that are actually good for a change..

I agree with this 100% Bethesda may be inspired to step it up a bit...

Time spent playing witcher 2: 60 hours
Time spent playing skyrim: 600 hours

I'm thinking cd projekt needs to be taking advice from beth and not giving it. The witcher games were good, but they aren't in the league of TES.

One would think they'd have to smarts to see the competition's criticisms, no?


I've only played Deus Ex a couple times (no where near past a hundred) and I've played Skyrim for around 500 hours. Definitely won't find me saying Skyrim is a better game..

I may listen to channel ORANGE a dozens of times more than OK Computer but that doesn't mean the latter is the more worse album. See why your logic is false? Especially comparing an Open-World game to a mostly linear one.

Not in their league? They're entirely different games. Would you say that Deus Ex is a worse game than Skyrim because it's shorter? Or that Europa Universalis III is a better one because it can be longer?
Story-driven RPGs are always shorter than open world RPGs. It's how this genre works, but it doesn't say anything about the quality of the game.

I've spent hundreds of hours in Skyrim too, but I can't deny that the writing and storylines are very weak. I didn't mind so much because writing isn't really what I play this game for. However, these are exactly the features that The Witcher games are loved for, so no, they shouldn't take cues from Bethesda. They should do their own thing because they're bloody brilliant at it. They can learn something about creating an explorable world though.

At this point I wouldn't say that Bethesda should learn from CDPR because the guys from CPDR have never made an open world RPG. It would be great if Beth improved their writing, but CDPR's style won't work without a predefined protagonist. I'd rather they learned from Obsidian - if you look at New Vegas, it becomes clear that creating an open world game with a reactive world and memorable characters is entirely possible.

But there is something that Bethesda could learn from CDPR: customer relations. Talking to us, treating all players equally, not leaving us hanging.

I could say somewhat the same.. Except only played Skyrim 200 hours.. Except those 60 hours were better than 200 hours of skyrim.. The writing was great and the characters were superb.. Skyrim, well there is just a lot of it, doesn't mean that the abundance of content in Skyrim makes the game any better than a well written 60 hours in Witcher 2..