I'm guessing everyone here has completed the main quest of Skyrim at least once but if you haven't:

WARNING SPOILERS!

Anyways, during the Dawnguard quest line, when you have to get the Elder Scrolls you have to get the dragon scroll, the same scroll in the main quest of skyrim. You actually have to start the main quest, "Discerning The Transmundane" and the description of the quest, instead of telling you to get the scroll fr whoever it is you need to get it for in Dawnguard, in my case Harkon, it says you have to get it for Paarthurnax. Isnt that a spoiler for the main quest?

I know it's not likely that there are players out there that haven't done the main quest at least once so wouldn't be spoiled, but all the same, what if someone bought the game and DLC and went through it and was spoiled? Isn't that wrong of Bethesda to do that?

Personally, I'm not too bothered, but only because ive done the main quest already, I know about Big P. I am a bit annoyed with the laziness on Bethesda's behalf. Could they not have come up with a new quest name and description for this quest? I've only just started this quest, ive not completed Dawnguard yet, so please keep spoilers to a minimum, but I've heard that the dragon scroll is useless and isn't even used or needed. Is this true? What gives Bethesda?

Anyway that shocked me a bit, what do you guys think?

Seeing as Dawngaurd is not separated from the main world as other DLCs have been, it makes sense that there is some co-mingling of the plots.

However, for those who want to avoid the MQ all together on some characters, this does make for a sticky situation.

I thought Discerning the Transmundane was a daedric quest concurrent with the MQ.

Anyway, IIRC your journal only says "find an Elder Scrolls for Paathurnax" without specifying who or what said Paathurnax is. So it doesn't spoil anything, but it's still confusing. I think it's just an overlook on Bethesda's part - they wrongly assumed that everybody finished the MQ by the time Dawnguard was released, so they didn't bother to check evey single line in a quest that people supposedly did long ago.

It is you do not need to start the MQ to obtain this scroll. I even sold it to the orc in the mage college before the MQ had ended and had to buy it back off him.

I currently have all three scrolls, might need them again some day.

What I find silly about it is that you have to get the scroll and then it's not needed for the Dawnguard MQ like WTF.

I needed to read all three of them

They probably assumed that most people had finished the MQ. Just play it later, if you don't want spoilers.

I've played through Dawnguard twice to the finish on the Vampire side and have yet to see where it makes me get the Dragon Scroll. I do have a character that I'm playing through the Dawnguard side, but has yet to finish. Is it the Dawnguard side that makes you get the Dragon Scroll? I ask because so far I haven't had to get it for any part of Dawnguard.

I played through twice on Xbox and once on PC all on the Vampire side, I'm pretty sure it came up in the quest objectives to go get the Dragon scroll and Dexion mentions it when reading Serana's scroll.

The last play through on the PC I already had the scroll so that when Serana say's - Yes and it's mine I could reply Honey don't bother I've got my own, and it's bigger than yours. Didn't happen but, worth a try.

I'm playing through both the main and Vampire quests and haven't had any problems with the two conflicting and I'm well past the point where I need them for both quests. The only problem is that the College of Winterhold has suddenly acquired one for its Arcanaeum even though I still have all three with me. However since there's an option to sell them elsewhere if I want to I'm not too bent out of shape about it.

This isn't made exactly clear. I thought that the character was only reading the Blood scroll in the glade. It's only literally just now that I've realised they are reading all three in turn.

Why on earth was this made the case? Why not just the two Dawnguard included scrolls? Soul Cairn isn't exactly the shortest part of the quest ever, and adding in Blackreach on top of that is just ardous. Being an Xbox player and stuck with random Vampire attack wherever I go, no matter if I've started the DG quest or not, the ONLY way to stop the damn things is to complete the DLC quest. That is simply NOT FUN on low level characters!

I honestly wonder why on earth 1) Vampire attacks were made mandatory after level 10 regardless of quest status and, 2) why they forced you to get the harder to get Elder Scroll (Dragon).

'Play it later' is not valid when you are constantly suffering from random Vampire attacks from level 10 onward.

I just hate how I got into the DG main questline for the first time, and then they basically say, "Oh, yeah... you're going to have to do the Main Quest. Including Blackreach."

Gah. Stop forcing us to do things, Bethesda!

I only recently finished my first mod and I'm looking into doing more involved things, but it's not easy and I find that setting up quests just to do simple things is made extremely difficult. It seems to me that Skyrim has a very complicated way of achieving very basic and sometimes dumb results. It is possible that if they ignored the vanilla scroll it may have broken the original MQ or the Dawnguard MQ may not have worked. After all how can getting Dawnguard break the breezehome alchemy table when it should have nothing to do with it.

They have a bug list a mile long including quests that are still buggy.

Skyrim has a beautifull paint job on the surface but underneath it's a complicated mess.

Ooh, I was wrong.

Level EIGHT and upward! Freaking EIGHT! I just walked into Whiterun and had a Master Vampire and two Death hounds say hi!
Thank bloody Talos that it was night time, so there was just me and the gate guard being wailed on. Kudos to him for making it out alive, too.

I am so damn sick of this. Will have to seriously plan some long term investment into a gaming PC and buy Skyrim on Steam during a sale, so I can mod out all the crap like this ??

Sounds like you will be walking in my footsteps, I didn't get too many headaches from the Vamp attacks but a great many things about Skyrim were annoying. Mods have gone a long way to fixing Skyrim for me, my Xbox just gathers dust now. Tut tut Microsoft your exclusive deal backfired.

The moth priest needs to read all three scroll to understand the prophecy.

You need all three scrolls to finish Dawnguard in my games at least its always made me get all three.