I am a little worried/heartbroken by the 1600 Microsoft Point price tag. That means it's going to be on the same scale and kind of small like Dawnguard was. The Shivering Isles was 2400 Microsoft Points, and I was kind of hoping this DLC would be on the same scope.

I think that another thing to look at are long-term loyal fans of game developers and fans of games. To be entirely honest, I would buy Dragonborn even if most reviewers gave it less than 5/10 and people here said it wasn't very good just for the fact that I love the games Bethesda develops (not produces though), and Skyrim is in my top 3 games of all time. I just wouldn't be able to tolerate not having the extra lore.

That doesn't mean I can't be disappointed by how something looks like it will turn out. All I know is that, in my eyes, Bethesda will lose a MASSIVE amount of kudos/respect points if we don't get the WHOLE island of Solstheim to explore.

That's one thing I'm worried about. You can always remedy quality with quantity... And so far I'm seeing neither.

For all we know, those little goblin things could be on Skyrim proper as well, adding a new enemy type to fight with places to explore and loot. Just take a deep breath, don't by the dlc day one and wait for some reviews, and then decide if this dlc is for you or not.

Thank you that's what I've been saying since Dawnguard....they don't have to buy it!

I would never look too far into a price tag when compared to content. Look at the specifics here. We are getting Solstheim. We are also getting Apocrypha. Bloodmoon was just Solstheim. Already off to a better start. I've heard someone say that maybe we won't be able to explore all of Solstheim. To me, that just sounds like nonsense. There is not going to be an invisible wall going halfway across the island cutting us off from the north. We will have the full island to explore, plus a daedric plane (I'm guessing maybe the same size as the Soul Cairn from DG).

No no, that's not what I meant. Not buying something isn't a good counter arguement. They have every right to be conserned. I'm not saying they don't. What I'm saying is we dont' have enough information to make a rational judgement. The trailer didn't make it a point to show off new spells or weapon types, though we do see a few spells. They can be conserned over that, I'd encourange it.

But we won't get much more info till it's out. That's what I'm saying. Wait till we learn more, then decide if it's for you or not. Not now when we know so little. http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6187-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win

Not getting something sends the wrong message.

And Oblivion's horse armour was 200 points and it sure as hell was a lot less than 1/8 of a Dawnguard.

As it currently stands... the PS3 version is much smaller than everybody else's version. >_<

...but I guess on the plus side it costs less too.

Dawnguard had more gameplay value than some games in their entirety, it didn't add a huge amount in terms of areas but it did add quite a few things to the existing world (not talking new dungeons here).

For the price tag, I'm quietly confident that Dragonborn will add more content than Dawnguard will, certainly in terms of areas to explore at the very least.

Well I can only feel sorry for you...

@Resistance, And wait for Cod players to review it? No thanks. Dawnguard was worth way, way more than 6/10 in the same way games like MW3 are worth far less than 9/10. People put way too much stock into reviewers like IGN, OXM etc etc. They tend to contradict themselves all the time.

@OP: This is the whole of Solsthiem we're talking about with a Daedric realm with a potentially lore rich story with a [censored]load of new equipment. You know how stupid your post sounds?

i didnt read dawnguard reviews,But 6/10? Okay D: Well,At least a 8/10 or 7/10. But not that low.

Also i expect this to be a proper expansion. i hope there is alot to do.

Some people here would disagree and say Dawnguard got the score it diserved. Me? Nah, I really liked it dispite it's flaws. What I mean is you should wait, and then ask people here or others who you know irl and trust. Do a little self investigation perhaps. Get as informed as you can without catching spoilers, and then decide if it's for you or not.

In any other industry, that's what the consumer is expected to do. It's just the gaming industry is bizzar and doesn't follow normal economic rules due to it mostly being artistic in nature. You have to be an informed consumer, it's the best deffence against buying something you'll regret later.

The problem is, most reviewers don't take/have the time that fans do to play the game in it's entirety. That's how they come to half-assed conclusions. Hell, even a Cod player who has been playing Cods since Cod 2 would know MW3 is complete [censored]. They are the hardcoe of the community while we are the hardcoe of the ES community. Our opinions matter 10x more.

It got scored low on the PC sites because it was so bug riddled it was unplayable on most machines. Take that out of equation and look at the fixed game/game on Xbox (assuming that worked), and Dawnguard was an excellent expansion.

I too am worried about this. I find it hard to believe that they are going to give us the entire island of Solstheim with all the same detail they put into Skyrim plus the realm of Hermaous Mora for the price of $20. I was hoping for something the size of shivering isles....and I'd happily pay to get that.

Dawnguard was good. With actual new things to play with (and not just a bunch of new locations and weapons) and overhaul to the vampires that keep players coming back and try it out.

Quick question, is Dragonborn the same cost as Dawnguard? If so, there better a hell of a lot more areas in this one, because Dawnguard was a little lacking for the price tag.

This.

little worried too i would be willing to pay much more for good amount of content, if i would have to put my $ on it i would say it will be similar size like dg not a big expansion pack like we hoped. if we look at skyrims dlcs history HF was 400 points and we got exactly that 3 homes, same with dg was 1600 points had 14 main quests and bunch side quests not huge dlc not small i think it will be the same with DB

i hope i am wrong

I'm yet to see someone here (who has a mind of their own) think that Dawnguard was worth a 6/10. Same with Hearthfire.
I'm just trying to tell you how the assertion that 'reviews matter' in the gaming community is complete [censored].

People have a right to their opinion, be it negative or possitive. Just because they think negatively about Dawnguard does in no way indicate they don't have a mind of their own. Again, self investigation is required of any consumer. Be it gameing reviews, playing a little "demo" on a friends system, or otherwise. There's tons of ways to learn about a game without actually buying the game proper.

I thought Dawnguard was worth more than 6/10, so would a lot of others. It was only the moaners who could not handle the action and spent all their time complaining they could not manage to keep their precious NPC's alive that gave Dawnguard a bad name.

They are called RIEKLINGS grrrrrr

Why are the whiners inherintly wrong simply because they are whining? They aren't completely off base with dawnguard. Harkon as far as villains go is pretty bland. The different sides of the quest mostly hit the same notes and only differenticate who you answer to and who you fight early on. Serana, in her own words, has a "common" backstory. There are only two types of crossbows. And I could go on.

Calling somethings faults out is not a negative thing, and should never be looked upon as such. I could point out every plothole Dragonball Z has, and believe you me there are a lot. The enemies are pretty bleh too, and they let the lesser fighters fall off to the wayside and only had Goku and Vegeta there for the final fight(which still pisses me off to no end as I am a huge Gohan fan).

Dawnguard had a lot of possitives too. Serana, while having a common backstory, is probably the only character in the whole of Skyrim you can have a non-quest related conversation with. Her backstory is actually built upon with some idle pvssyr. That, plus the new areas and weapons was enough for me to give it a thumbs up if anyone asked.

For the love of Talos, please stop fighting over nothing...


I'm really sorry, but I'm horrible with names. I'll eventually get it, but I will be calling them goblin things for a while.

I think that another thing to look at are long-term loyal fans of game developers and fans of games. To be entirely honest, I would buy Dragonborn even if most reviewers gave it less than 5/10 and people here said it wasn't very good just for the fact that I love the games Bethesda develops (not produces though), and Skyrim is in my top 3 games of all time. I just wouldn't be able to tolerate not having the extra lore.

That doesn't mean I can't be disappointed by how something looks like it will turn out. All I know is that, in my eyes, Bethesda will lose a MASSIVE amount of kudos/respect points if we don't get the WHOLE island of Solstheim to explore.