[u gone see]

The only plugins.txt I could find is in C:user\...\My Games\Oblivion\saves. Not sure if that is the right one as it was supposedly last changed in April, and does not reflect my current LO. in any case, "Speedy Disrobe OBSE.esp" is not listed in there.

No, the plugins.txt is in "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\Skyrim\plugins.txt" on Windows Vista/7. If you're using XP, you'll have to google it, try "local app data folder" or something.

[Jordan Moreno]

Since the sluggishness of the UI is more of a problem for Oblivion players than Skyrim players I'm posting this fix here so people can have a little hope (and the brave can prepare to do some testing).

Arthmoor,

I've reverted some of the changes made when BAPI was introduced to handle the new Skyrim load order. Lojack had created some new objects that tied directly to the BAPI functions so that by simply adding and removing items from the lists, the changes would be pushed through to BOSS and any data updated by BOSS would automatically be seen. A great idea in theory, why keep a copy of data that has to be manually refreshed every time something is changed? The answer seems to be performance.

I've returned the code to the old model of working from local lists of mods that have to be explicitly saved and loaded to register any changes and it's like using the Pre-BAPI versions (or close enough).

Now it's just a matter of seeing what breaks and forcing the correct refreshes of the data. I think I've got all of them, but Bash is so big and complex it's hard to tell. (I've also got a few #CDC labels scattered at points where I'm expecting there might be problems if we find something doesn't work. I was working by comparing the revision 2318 just before BAPI was added to 2319 just after and also to the recent 2470. But I've built the diff against the current 2477 revision.)

The forum ate my code. Arthmoor would you like to give me a little more access to the project or should I just open a new bug and attach the files that way. It seems I can't attach files to anyone else's bug.

[Jeffrey Lawson]

Open a new bug. I was actually trying to find some way to allow attachments from non-project members but for some baffling reason it seems there's no settings to allow that.

I don't know if that's buried in some super secret admin panel I don't have access to or if that's Sourceforge's silly idea but it makes things a pain considering the forum likes to add unnecessary spaces to every single code post.

Or just stick it on your other yellow flagged bug that's still open. We'll figure it out

[Angela Woods]

Attaching files the wrong bug is an ugly hack, but done.

[Alex Vincent]

No, the plugins.txt is in "C:\Users\[username]\AppData\Local\Skyrim\plugins.txt" on Windows Vista/7. If you're using XP, you'll have to google it, try "local app data folder" or something.

Finally found it, Win7 really hides everything.
Since Speedy Disrobe was not listed, I restored BOSS's api folder and everything still works fine. Restarting my PC must have done something, although I still have no idea why it was looking for Speedy Disrobe - I had restarted my PC several times since I had uninstalled it.

[Ross]

@cdcooley: I've applied your patches on my local copy but they don't appear to have made the slightest bit of difference in UI responsiveness. It still takes eons to drag a mod to a new position and the ctrl+arrow method is still taking 2-3 secs to move one slot up or down. Which still leads me to wonder if there's a point at which Bash just has too many mods to manage and perhaps I'm past the threshold?

[Isabella X]

Finally found it, Win7 really hides everything.
Since Speedy Disrobe was not listed, I restored BOSS's api folder and everything still works fine. Restarting my PC must have done something, although I still have no idea why it was looking for Speedy Disrobe - I had restarted my PC several times since I had uninstalled it.

So everything is working fine again with the latest SVN?

[Justin Bywater]

@Arthmoor : no there is no such threshold - or rather there wasn't and now there is and the threshold is 2

[Tiff Clark]

@cdcooley: I've applied your patches on my local copy but they don't appear to have made the slightest bit of difference in UI responsiveness. It still takes eons to drag a mod to a new position and the ctrl+arrow method is still taking 2-3 secs to move one slot up or down. Which still leads me to wonder if there's a point at which Bash just has too many mods to manage and perhaps I'm past the threshold?

295.5 was smooth as silk with my 450+ ESPs.

Now, notsomuch.

[jasminε]

So everything is working fine again with the latest SVN?

Yep, using SVN 2476, auto-ghost is on, BOSS's api folder is restored, Speedy Disrobe uninstalled and Bash starts fine and there are no LO mismatches.
So Thank You very much for your hard work on Bash (and BOSS).

[amhain]

@cdcooley: I've applied your patches on my local copy but they don't appear to have made the slightest bit of difference in UI responsiveness. It still takes eons to drag a mod to a new position and the ctrl+arrow method is still taking 2-3 secs to move one slot up or down. Which still leads me to wonder if there's a point at which Bash just has too many mods to manage and perhaps I'm past the threshold?

Now that's very strange. There is still more delay than I had with 295.5 but it's much improved over the other SVNs for me. Interestingly the first move I make of a session is slower than all of the others but still a great deal faster than before. I loaded up about 140 plugins with about 100 of them active and another 30 merged into a bashed patch on the Oblivion side and things are back to usable.

On the Skyrim side I haven't even downloaded more than about 40 mods total so I never really saw much of a lag there anyway.

How many saved games do you have? One thing that I did notice is that every time you modify your mods the saved game status info also gets updated. I wonder if it's not only a matter of the number of mods but also the number of saves. My Skyrim folder only has about 12 saves and my Oblivion folder only about twice that.

[Joie Perez]

Ooookay, I need help again, please.

I had applied the fix (from the other forum) of editing my basher.py and adding the "import datetime" function. Which fixed that, but then I began having the same problem as Blade of Mercy, where the bashpatch won't rebuild. So I rolled back to the 296 standalone- Seemed to work fine, rebuilt my patch. Entered the game. Exited, opened OBMM, un-installed Vanilla Race Deluxe. Then, because, I was in there, installed Knights Cobl and Let the People Drink. Exited and installed OBME. Went to pull up Wrye so I could re-order and rebuild again... and it's crashing again! AND since I'm using the standalone, there is no basher.py for me to edit. What am I doing wrong that is breaking Wrye Bash? Is it Vanilla Race Deluxe?

[Andres Lechuga]

Now that's very strange. There is still more delay than I had with 295.5 but it's much improved over the other SVNs for me. Interestingly the first move I make of a session is slower than all of the others but still a great deal faster than before. I loaded up about 140 plugins with about 100 of them active and another 30 merged into a bashed patch on the Oblivion side and things are back to usable.

On the Skyrim side I haven't even downloaded more than about 40 mods total so I never really saw much of a lag there anyway.

How many saved games do you have? One thing that I did notice is that every time you modify your mods the saved game status info also gets updated. I wonder if it's not only a matter of the number of mods but also the number of saves. My Skyrim folder only has about 12 saves and my Oblivion folder only about twice that.

I have 278 plugin files, with 179 active. Many merges. 12 save files. The interface lag is definitely still a problem, it even takes it a noticeable amount of time to respond if I switch back into the window from somewhere else. Slow enough that if I try to switch out again Windows minimizes the app I'm trying to switch out to, which just makes Bash do whatever it was trying to do all over again. It's been this way since BAPI was introduced.

I haven't committed these changes to the SVN yet but I suppose I can so we can see if it helps with anyone else. I don't really know why it hasn't helped on my end.

[scorpion972]

...So I tried building with cbash instead. Seemed to build fine- except now I have "WTF? I'm a missing mesh!" stars all over the place. I can't win for losing. Bah, humbug.

[Greg Cavaliere]

...So I tried building with cbash instead. Seemed to build fine- except now I have "WTF? I'm a missing mesh!" stars all over the place. I can't win for losing. Bah, humbug.

That should have nothing at all to do with Bash. That is something else going wrong.

[N3T4]

Ah, well, I did nothing else except re-build the patch with a different command- cbash instead of bash, and the spots mostly seem to be in places where the UOP fixes meshes- the floor of the inn, etc. That's why I thought it was cbash. But perhaps streamline did it? Although I don't see how, I'm not real up on these things. I'll keep messing with it, thanks for the prompt help.

[Casey]

Get FormIDFinder or Refscope to determine what meshes are missing.

[Alex [AK]]

I've got 297.1 - figured out my BOSS issue, but it seems that bash is messed up.

I can run BOSS and get a load order - it looks good in OBMM, but in bash I get a screwed up load order with Oblivion.esm stuck at 06 and no ability to change the position of it. (no drag and drop and no ctr+arrow keys work and clicking the load order upper bar does not change the order or reverse them and neither does sort by load order):Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  CLS-Craftybits.esm----> Delinquent MASTER: Oblivion.esm01  TantrivayliaChimer.esm----> Delinquent MASTER: Oblivion.esm02  CustomSpellIcons.esm03  Oblivifall Master File.esm  [Version 1.1]----> Delinquent MASTER: Oblivion.esm04  John's Leveled List Overhaul.esm----> Delinquent MASTER: Oblivion.esm05  NNWAEMaster.esm----> Delinquent MASTER: Oblivion.esm06  Oblivion.esm07  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.34]08  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]09  TamRes.esm0A  DBBAM.esp  [Version 1.46]0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.4.1]0C  UOPS Additional Changes.esp0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.4]0F  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]10  TamRes.esp11  Environment Mods - Merged.esp12  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.34]13  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.34]14  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.8]15  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.8]16  Idle Dialogue.esp++  Symphony of Violence.esp17  Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.1]18  OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp19  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.34]1A  WindowLightingSystem.esp1B  AliveWaters.esp**  Cobl Bookjackets.esp1C  Duke Patricks - Who Goes There.esp  [Version 1.2]1D  Paladin.esp1E  Personality Idles - Modified version.esp  [Version 1.5]1F  Willful Resistance.esp  [Version 4.0]20  Display Stats.esp  [Version 2.0.1]21  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]22  Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp  [Version 1.3]23  Dynamic Map.esp  [Version 2.0]24  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.9.3]25  UI Mods Merged.esp26  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.3]27  DLCHorseArmor.esp28  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]29  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]2A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp2B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]++  YX33A Razor Edit.esp2C  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]2D  Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp  [Version 1.0]2E  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp**  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp++  Legion Shield Replacer.esp2F  PTArtifacts.esp30  SentientWeapon.esp  [Version 3]++  Town Guard Armor Replacers.esp31  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp32  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]33  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.73]34  CB-Cobl_Glue.esp++  John's Leveled List Overhaul - Vanilla Armours.esp35  John's Leveled List Overhaul - Vanilla Weapons.esp36  OWC - Mannequin.esp37  OWC - Seaworld.esp38  OWC - New Dimension.esp++  OWC - TGPatch.esp39  Lock Bash Omega.esp  [Version 1.5]3A  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.9.3]3B  John's Leveled List Overhaul.esp3C  OWC - NoWindowLights.esp++  OWC - LessDangerousWilderness.esp++  OWC ND - Oblivion XP Patch.esp  [Version 0.3]3D  DBSQR.esp  [Version 1.03]3E  DBSQR - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.03]3F  DBSQR - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 1.03]40  Oblivifall - Something's Not Right.esp  [Version 1.0]41  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.8]42  300_Artifacts.esp43  Ancient Dwemer Ruin.esp44  DibellaTempleWillowLakeVillagev1.esp45  Dwarven Mines.esp46  Fighters Guild Quests.esp47  NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp  [Version 2.1b]48  NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp49  SilentStonesCamp.esp4A  StopDarkBrotherhood.esp4B  Tantrivaylia.esp4C  TheForgottenRealm.esp4D  UnfathomedTower.esp4E  Vampire Hunting - Order of the Virtuous Blood.esp4F  Knights.esp**  Knights_MOBS.esp  [Version 2.0]++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]50  Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp  [Version 1.0]51  DBSQR - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 1.03]52  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp53  ElsweyrAnequina.esp54  Unofficial Elsweyr Anequina Patch.esp++  ElsweyrAnequinaFemaleBody.esp55  Fighters Guild Quests - Roads and Bridges Patch.esp56  Roads of Cyrodiil.esp  [Version 1.0]57  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion.esp  [Version 1.42]58  Oblivifall - Losing My Religion KOTN.esp  [Version 1.0]59  EastbrinkBasic.esp5A  Faregyl.esp  [Version 2.0.7]5B  Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp  [Version 2.0]5C  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.12]5D  Gottshaw Village.esp  [Version 1.0]5E  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]5F  Reedstand.esp  [Version 1.0.4]60  StalhrimVillage.esp61  StalhrimVillage - AN Patch.esp62  Urasek.esp  [Version 1.0.4]63  Vergayun.esp  [Version 2.0.2]64  Villages II.esp65  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]66  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]67  xulTheHeath.esp68  XulEntiusGorge.esp69  DibellaTempleWillowLakeVillage-EntiusGorge patch.esp6A  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]6B  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp6C  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.2]6D  OWC - ND UL Colovian Highlands Patch.esp6E  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.3]6F  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.5]70  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.2]71  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.4]72  SentientWeaponII-AncientYews patch.esp73  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]74  ROC+Ancient Redwoods.esp  [Version 1.0]75  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]76  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.4]77  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]78  OWCND - UL Arrius Creek Patch.esp79  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]7A  xulPantherRiver.esp7B  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]7C  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1.1]7D  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.7]7E  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]7F  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]80  DungeonsOfIvellon-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp81  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]82  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.2]83  ROC+UL Skingrad Outskirts Patch.esp84  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.5]85  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.2]86  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp  [Version 1.12]87  xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp  [Version 1.0.3]88  Eastbrink-SliverfishRiverValley patch.esp  [Version 1.0]89  xulJerallGlacier.esp  [Version 1.0.1]8A  AyleidRuinsixpanded-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]8B  AncientDwemerRuins-JerallGlacier patch.esp  [Version 1.0]8C  xulTheEasternPeaks.esp  [Version 1.0]8D  ROC+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]8E  DwarvenMines-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp8F  Fort Akatosh Redux.esp90  ROC+Fort Akatosh Redux.esp++  Cyrodiil Legion Addon.esp  [Version 1.3]91  Legion Ranger Addon.esp92  Sutch Village.esp  [Version 1.0.2]93  LostCoast + SutchVillage Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]94  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 5.3.2]95  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp++  Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp96  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp97  Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp  [Version 1.0]98  Oblivifall - Let's Talk!.esp  [Version 1.1]99  Soulgem Magic.esp  [Version 2.0]9A  CLS-Craftybits.esp9B  CB-DepositsForges.esp9C  Alternative Beginnings.esp  [Version 1.3]9D  RealisticFatigue.esp9E  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp++  Starx-OVB Patch.esp9F  kuerteeMagickaBasedMagicJeweleryLimits.espA0  Advanced Magecraft.espA1  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]A2  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.90]A3  AudaciousMagery.espA4  Syc_AtHomeAlchemy_No_Bounty_v2.espA5  RshAlchemy.espA6  Morrowind Lockpicking.espA7  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]A8  Oblivion XP.esp**  Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp**  Cava Obscura - SI.esp**  Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78]A9  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]++  Slof's Better Bodies.espAA  ZUAmberMadnessOverhaul.espAB  ZUSIO-Map MarkerOverhaul SI-patch.esp++  ZUSIO-SM Plugin Refurbish SI-patch.espAC  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]AD  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]AE  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalBetterRedguards.esp**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, TNR Merge Better Redguards.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]AF  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.51EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]B0  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 1.0b]**  bgIntegrationEV - Alternative NPC Faces by LazyMonk.esp  [Version 1.00]++  bgIntegrationEV - Unique Clothes.esp  [Version 1.0]B1  Silverfish&bgIntegrationPatch.espB2  OWC - Players Home.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  kuertee bgMagicEVShader default drain effects.espB3  DS Flaming Arrows.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.34]B4  Bashed Patch, 0.esp----> Delinquent MASTER: Visual Enchantments v1.0 improved.espB5  Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp  [Version 7.1]B6  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp  [Version 4]B7  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 7.3]B8  Duke Patricks - Melee Combat NO RECOIL.esp  [Version 5.9]B9  Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer NIF REMOVED.espBA  Visual Enchantments v1.0 improved.esp

Launching in debug mode seems to offer no information I can make use of:

Found Python at 'C:\Python27\python.exe'
Launching Wrye Bash in debug mode
Wrye Bash starting
Python version: 2.7.2
wxPython version: 2.8.12.1 (msw-unicode)
input encoding: cp437; output encoding: None; locale: ('en_US', 'cp1252')
Searching for game to manage:
bush.py 81 detectGames: Detected the following supported games via Windows Registry:
bush.py 83 detectGames: oblivion: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion
bush.py 95 detectGames: Detecting games via relative path and the -o argument:
bush.py 101 detectGames: oblivion: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion
bush.py 144 setGame: No preferred game specified.
bush.py 151 setGame: Using oblivion game: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion
bosh.py 6227 __init__: Loaded the BOSS API from: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\BOSS\API
bosh.py 6245 __init__: Using BOSS API version: 2.0.1

I am getting crashing on game load and so this is prime suspect.

[edit] oops well one thing I forgot to do was run the installer for any missing python components - did that then put 297.1 on top of that and still get all the same results above.

plugins.txt seems to have the load order right, so confused on this. This is a load order that last I touched it was working great.

[bimsy]

Turn off Auto Ghosting

Run BOSS

Build your patch

Turn on Auto Ghosting

Launch Oblivion

[Angela]

Or just update your SVN copy again. There was a flurry of fixes in the last 24 hrs that are supposed to correct all of that.

[Greg Swan]

with latest tarball the program will not launch in either regular or debug mod (no log to show you).

[edit] Oh wait got a log ...

Found Python at 'C:\Python27\python.exe'
Launching Wrye Bash in debug mode
WARN : boost::filesystem::last_write_time: The system cannot find the file specified: "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Data\Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp"; Report the mod in question with a download link to an official BOSS thread.
Wrye Bash starting
Python version: 2.7.2
wxPython version: 2.8.12.1 (msw-unicode)
input encoding: cp437; output encoding: None; locale: ('en_US', 'cp1252')
Searching for game to manage:
bush.py 81 detectGames: Detected the following supported games via Windows Registry:
bush.py 83 detectGames: oblivion: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion
bush.py 95 detectGames: Detecting games via relative path and the -o argument:
bush.py 101 detectGames: oblivion: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion
bush.py 144 setGame: No preferred game specified.
bush.py 151 setGame: Using oblivion game: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion
bosh.py 6231 __init__: Loaded the BOSS API from: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\compiled
bosh.py 6237 __init__: Loaded the BOSS API from: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\BOSS\API
bosh.py 6242 __init__: Comparing version strings from the two (if the API is included in a detected BOSS install) loaded BOSS APIs.
bosh.py 6243 __init__: Remote BAPI vesion: 2.0.1
bosh.py 6244 __init__: Local BAPI version: 2.1.0
bosh.py 6255 __init__: Loaded the BOSS API from: F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\compiled
bosh.py 6267 __init__: Using BOSS API version: 2.1.0
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "Wrye Bash Launcher.pyw", line 33, in
bash.main()
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bash.py", line 522, in main
app.Init()
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\basher.py", line 10326, in Init
self.InitData(progress)
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\basher.py", line 10356, in InitData
bosh.modInfos.refresh(doAutoGroup=True)
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bosh.py", line 5050, in refresh
hasChanged += self.plugins.refresh(True) #CDC the refresh needs to run!
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bosh.py", line 3968, in refresh
self.loadActive()
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bosh.py", line 3921, in loadActive
self.selected = boss.GetActivePlugins() # GPath list (but not sorted)
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bapi.py", line 566, in GetActivePlugins
_CGetActivePlugins(self._DB, byref(plugins), byref(num))
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bapi.py", line 226, in BossErrorCheck
raise BossError(result)
bash.bapi.BossError: BossError: BOSS_API_ERROR_MASTER_TIME_READ_FAIL:The modification date of "Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp" cannot be read! Filesystem response: "boost::filesystem::last_write_time: The system cannot find the file specified: "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Data\Atmospheric Loading Screens - No Text.esp"".

I did take atmospheric loading screens and DarnUI out for testing purposes - not sure why that would crash bash though.

[Saul C]

This is beginning to be really annoy me. I can easily confirm the problem. BOSS is throwing an error back when I've simply asked it to give it's current view of the Active plugins in "plugins.txt".

I'll make a quick test to see if it can be fixed from the Bash side or if it's a BOSS problem with WrinklyNinja's new code.
OK, I've just confirmed that it's in the new BAPI DLLs which fixes the problem with Ghosted mods. Unfortunately, now it has also changed how it handles a plugins.txt file with mods that aren't in your mods folder. I'll see if it's an error that can be caught and bypassed by the Bash code.

[Lisha Boo]

It's a change on the BAPI DLL side that's a real problem. If BOSS is detecting a missing file from the plugins.txt file it's simply returning an error.

WrinklyNinja is going to have to fix this one or we're going to have to go back to reading the plugins.txt file in the Bash code instead of using BAPI for that.

The behavior we need from BAPI is for the GetActivePlugins call to ALWAYS return what it can. If the list has invalid entries they can (and probably should) be filtered out, but simply returning an error and and empty list is worse than useless.

[Laura Samson]

It's a change on the BAPI DLL side that's a real problem. If BOSS is detecting a missing file from the plugins.txt file it's simply returning an error.

WrinklyNinja is going to have to fix this one or we're going to have to go back to reading the plugins.txt file in the Bash code instead of using BAPI for that.

The behavior we need from BAPI is for the GetActivePlugins call to ALWAYS return what it can. If the list has invalid entries they can (and probably should) be filtered out, but simply returning an error and and empty list is worse than useless.

Should be fixed in latest SVN.

[Brandi Norton]

Well it loads and seems to bash ok.

Still testing and proding my load order and simply disabling Kvatch rebuilt and I get this:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\basher.py", line 2082, in OnLeftDown
self.checkUncheckMod(self.items[hitItem])
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\basher.py", line 1040, in checkUncheckMod
self.data.unselect(fileName)
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bosh.py", line 5673, in unselect
self.unselect(selFile,False)
File "F:\Bethesda Games\Oblivion\Mopy\bash\bosh.py", line 5664, in unselect
self.plugins.selected.remove(fileName)
ValueError: list.remove(x): x not in list

And it won't let me disable it.