Do you think Daud deserves Redemption?

Post » Tue May 07, 2013 8:15 am

I strongly think, after playing this on Low Chaos and doing all those good things like Mercy killing wales, saving Workers just because it's the right thing to do, and all the other stuff, Daud deserves Redemption.
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le GraiN
 
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Post » Mon May 06, 2013 11:25 pm

First, I wanna know what exactly is meant by "redemption"?

Does he deserve to be spared by Corvo?
Does he deserve to go to heaven?
Does he deserve to be perceived as a positive character by players?
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Post » Tue May 07, 2013 10:38 am

1 and 3.
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Post » Tue May 07, 2013 3:18 am

Well, Corvo's reasons for killing or not killing Daud are entirely his own. I mean, it's his loss, his decision. If there is a good side to Daud, he wouldn't know about it. That's why it's hard to talk about what Daud "deserves" from him. I like to think Corvo spares him. I do, in the game. I don't really hate him. Maybe I did in the first few missions, but with all I know now, I don't really.

As for 3... you know, I don't really feel the need to see Daud as a "good person" to like him. I don't really feel he needs to redeem himself to me. Maybe in the sense that I like him better if he's not a STUPID killer, lol, just mindlessly following orders. But he's interesting enough that he's already "redeemed" in my eyes.
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Post » Mon May 06, 2013 8:40 pm

I think he's a thug, and I like him that way. He's the leader of probably the deadliest gang in Dunwall. Turning him into a sympathetic character is fine, but giving him too much morality is spoiling a good character, in my opinion. Of course, that's the danger of casting him as a PC and then giving the player morality choices. The Daud I knew from Dishonored wouldn't have gone out of his way to put down a suffering whale; he probably wouldn't even look twice at the beast. But of course everyone who plays the expac is going to complete that mission. Sparing Lurk seems entirely out of character to me, as well. I think that's why I like Corvo so much as a silent protag. I don't have this mental conflict of the pre-rendered character doing things that are out of character because Corvo's decisions are my own and noone elses.
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Post » Tue May 07, 2013 6:45 am

I agree with parts of ^^

I do agree that giving him too much morality is spoiling a good character, I felt his regrets over the empress were a bit overdone... the way he just can't forget about what he's done... blergh But I didn't see him as a thug either, in the sense that he's devoid of morality. It seemed to me more like he has a good reason to shrug off jabs of conscience for killing people because they were all corrupt nobles who didn't deserve pity. I could actually see him putting the whale out of its misery because it's not that his morality is nonexistent - it's more... chaotic. His own.
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Post » Tue May 07, 2013 12:49 pm

I don't think Daud is a Thug. He is a stone-cold, disciplined & merciless killer -- but not a thug. He doesn't mindlessly go looking for trouble, trying to intimidate people. He runs his death racket in a tidy fashion and keeps under the radar as much as possible.

Compare him to Slackjaw, who is most definitely a thug.

As far as the moral paths allowable during the DLC, it's important to remember that you're playing Daud at a time where he's in transition. He's not so sure about his life path anymore. After his all the years of bloodshed, The Outsider has seemingly abandoned him. He's no longer special - and he's just killed the one lady holding Dunwall together. He sees his actions are leading to the widespread destruction of his world.

Normally, dispatching corrupt nobles wouldn't have an impact on him, but his last log entry is very telling. While ambition drove Daud down his current path, his self image has degraded to a point where he sees himself as rotten.

There is some remorse within him for some of the victims he has killed, who just happen to be the "just folks who were too just for their own good" -- those living in a world that's too corrupt to suffer them.

I think killing Emily was the final straw. It was easy to rationalise the consistent killing of those who svcked the empire dry for their own purposes.

But she and her father were widely considered as nobles who actually served for the good of the Empire. He tries to rationalize things and pin the blame to the Lord Regent. He tries pushing it on those who hired him to do their killing -- those who used him as their tool.

But it's just another step in the process as he tries to come to grips with where he has ended up in life.

His world is crumbling slowly around him. He's walking a tightrope above a sea of blood and filth, and he's running out of time. He knows his end is coming and he's trying to come to terms with how his life has panned and the man he has become.

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Post » Tue May 07, 2013 12:40 am

Fix'd.

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Post » Tue May 07, 2013 4:10 am

A very eloquent anolysis ShadowFox.
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