Disagreement is not calling those you disagree with "anol" or as having "OCD". That is being intolerant.

^ This

Just because you read a book and gain a skill point doesn't mean you have to spend the point on something you don't want... Derp.

No, it's being descriptive. Sometimes people are excessively neat. It's a habit of some people, and I'm not talking about actual clinical OCD, I'm talking about being a bit of a neat freak. Sometimes people transfer this into games, and get annoyed when the game doesn't allow them to indulge their neat-freakishness. It isn't some brutal slight to call somebody a neatfreak, you know. Most people have been called much worse in their lives. Being tolerant means accepting people are allowed to do things, it doesn't mean you have to approve or else keep your mouth shut.

As I say, the OP put an idea out there, and so it's perfectly valid to critique it - and having the opinion that it's nothing more than an outlet for neat-freakishness is a perfectly valid opinion, and it isn't tactless or inappropriate to state that opinion.

If you don't like criticism of an opinion or suggestion, don't make the suggestion public on an internet forum.

hardcoe players gonna hardcoe.

You are making it more complex than it should. Just read the books and get the insignificant skill increase that goes with it. If you tell me you want to RP a warrior that has nothing to do with magic, but still reads any book he comes across, then your warrior, from a RP perspective, deserves to get some general knowledge about all subjects which is rather well simulated by those tiny +1 to magic skill bonuses.

On the other hand, if your warrior reads every book, except those carefully picked set, you just used some out of character knowledge to shape your behavior which isn't good RP

Is this thread a joke? Are people actually this bizarre?

My healer has a two handed skill of 20. Does this interfere with my rp? Not at all, my character is an avid reader, and seeks all knowledge, not just magical. By the same token, if you play a Nord with a serious aversion to magic, why not rp a warrior who has difficulty reading, and doesn't bother with books at all? Read them on Imperial Library, avoid them all in game. "But I want the warrior bonuses." Well in that case, I am afraid it's meta gaming to find out which ones are appropriate first. Up to you, but personally I would bite the bullet and take a few skill ups out of character, to be in character as it were.

Please try to be more tolerant towards his intolerance. Everyone has a right to an opinion, and calling someone intolerant just because his view is different is intolerable. My intolerance towards your intolerance of calling him intolerable is really stupid. How about you put the badge away and let his statements be?

Yep.


lol

Thankfully somebody understands that everybody isn't made of glass, just waiting to be wrecked by a contrary opinion.

lol this seems abit extreme op. its onli gonna bump it up one skill point.

your character probably started off with 5 or 10 in that skill anyway so am sure one point wont make no difference...

At the end of the day, if you can ignore the fact that your butch warrior already knows how to make magical flames come out of his hands and heal himself with magic then I'm sure you can ignore a number ticking up by 1 that will make absolutely 0 difference to your gameplay.

I would just rather have my character be exactly how I want him. Unfortunately I am not OCD in real life or my apartment would be clean. Lots of people play RPGs like this... I re-improved all my Orc's armor (and his wife's) just because I went up a notch on the improvement table, even though he was over the armor cap. It is like inventory management in more complex RPGs, I can spend half an hour stuffing around on an inventory screen. It only takes a matter of seconds to reload if the book is for the wrong skill.

No, I don't care. Free skill points are free points, and leveling isn't that big a deal. If I stressed over such tiny things, I'd never play the game.

If you want to read the in-game books, they're all on the wiki or you can dl an e-book version.

I know what you mean, but the skill books are so rare that the practical effect is pretty negligible.

Not letting your character get that skill point is almost a lie.. I mean when you read info from a book in real life what happens? You learn something. It might not make you an expert, but while reading you usually learn on tiny thing about something you might not have planned or even wanted. This is the case with skill books. I am going to have to agree with the person calling you OCD, because in a sense you're almost making the game less realistic by saying that when your character reads the book he comes away knowing almost nothing. If you really want to RP The you would read the book and when that little skill point pops up realize that oh may e you character learned that to form a spell you have to be calm, stand in the right stance, let your mind clear, or something song those lines. Not as crap he got better at magic.

I'm not a scientist, but I read science books on occasion to challenge myself. I understand little of what I'm reading but a few things get through. That's what your character is doing. If he truly has no interest in a book, don't pick it up. Glance at the title and leave it where it is. You can then read the book offline on the wiki if you're interested in its contents.

Saying something is OCD can come off as some kind of slight or an insult, I can see that. But, as it relates to the OP I think it's a fitting argument about the situation. The OP wants to read the books without the character he is playing to benefit from reading the books. It is described in such a way that, and this is merely my own opinion (and I'm not a pychologist), it shows an obsessive compulsion towards the act of reading the in-game books. And that is NOT a bad thing. I read them too. I love reading them. The problem arises when the game makes reading a certain type of book "worth" a skill point. The OP doesn't want to receive the skill point. And that's certainly a valid opinion. To each their own. But that's not the way the game works. And, in my opinion, I'm glad the skill points that comes from reading certain books aren't optional. I don't think that would make sense. If you read a book, then you should gain some knowledge. That makes sense. If the book is historical in nature then you gain some historical perspective (like with most in-game books). If the book has something to do with a particular skill then you should by all rights gains some perspective of that skill. And if you want the lore perspective of a skill book but not the skill then that just seems a ..."picky-choosey" (for lack of better phrase) in my opinion. That may come across as an insult, but I hope it comes across as a constructive criticism. Accepting that some books will affect your character is, and I think rightfully so, a part of the game. And I think if you want the lore inside those books then you should accept the way those books will affect your character.

If there's so much outrage over skillbooks, then why not the same for people who are playing a pure warrior and automatically start with healing and that novice fire spell?

Just because I gain a destruction skill point from a book, it doesn't somehow force me to start playing my warrior as a mage; he's still a warrior who happens to know a bit about destruction magic, yet prefers to remain a warrior. He's just slightly more knowledgable than before. What's wrong with a pc becoming smarter after reading a book?

It's one thing to prefer that books didn't give skill points, but to be afraid to read books and feel the need to save beforehand just to avoid that one point? That seems a bit obsessive.

is this a serious topic? Really?

It's 1 skill point...

Get hold of one of the unoffical mod tools and change the name of all skill books to "(SB) ".

That's what I do, as I said.

I am also obsessive about such things, so my strategy has been to order my follower to pick up books between 45-70 value, and then I trade for them. This lets me have the books without gaining the skills.

If you want to read the books, your save/read/reload strategy sounds pretty good. And mine allows you to collect them in order to read them at your leisure.

I wish posters would stop being lazy and just google as most answers are found on the web ...

Here, http://skyrimbooks.com/ All the books of skyrim via web, no need to ever open a book in game ever again.

Exactly my problem. I`m a warrior and I hate it when I pick up a book and instantly learn some magic thing I didn`t want to learn! My warrior wouldn`t read a page let alone a book on magic and magic is suppose to be hard to learn anyway. Just cos he opened the pages don`t mean he read it. It should indeed give you a choice. I think it does this in Morrowind too, but I forget.

I still read the books though, but it is annoying.