I honestly hope that the gamesas staff is reading this because it does effect the quality of the story, and the game it's self.

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So bascially on the final chapter of the civil war as Stormcloak you in Solitude fighting off guards. You start from the ground and work yourself all the way up until you are on the practice field next to the archery pad. You go inside the Castle Dour to find General Tullius and Legate Rikke. Both parties start blabbing to each other and then dragonborn is given the opportunity to kill general tullius at the end.

Am I the only one that think that General Tullius should've been properly executed by the block next to the enterence of Solitude? A nice little remark for the memorial of Roggvir would've been nice to hear. The way it happen in the story was pretty cheesy.

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And no, I thought the way he was executed made sense. The courtyard was raging with a battle. All four of you could have been killed on your way to the execution block on the other side of town.

It was cheesy because so far each time I kill him their was no good animations that occur when you kill an enemy. No head rolling or no sword stabbing through the chest. It was like killing a weak person. Its [censored] and very krusty.

I don't think Ulfric Stormcloak either knows or cares about Roggvir.

Impaling him on a shord, or splitting his head with an axe or crushing it with a mace would have been much more satisfactory than the lame death animation we get in the game.

Tullius should be Given a A buriel with full millitary honours, And Roggirv deserved his death a thousand times, He was a complete !@# Hole, Ulfric on the other hand should have been publicly humilated and killed publicly.

It's possible that this did happen later, and we just weren't around to see it. Think of it as an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis_%28narrative_device%29

What are you talking about? Roggvir was the one who help Ulfric get into the city and right after killing the high king he also helped him to get out of the city by opening up the gate. He was one of the city guards at the time. That's why he was executed.

OUT of the city, and beyond that it would be hard to know what or if he made an impression on Ulfric who seems to know his men and pay attention and also seems to accept that he's helping to singlehandedly fill Sovngaard with brave Nord souls. lol How well he knows the roles of Nords in other cities is hard to guess.

Julienne, From the way I see it Ulfric seems to have a sharp memory. Right after Helgen when you join the stormcloaks by talking to Ulfric he seems to remember you so I'm pretty certain that he remembers who Roggvir was. It would've been nice for him to mention something about Roggvir and explain what a true stormcloak nord are suppose to be.

Seeing as how the Stormcloaks know who Roggvir is, I'm certain Ulfric would know who he is

What happens if you never go to Solitude before the last SC mission? Do you get to see Roggvir get executed anyway (after three days or whenever the city is restored), or is he just not there and everyone will talk about it (probably mentioning that "you were there for the execution", even though you weren't)?

True! Of course he knew him, but u can not make sense to some Imperialist Ulfric haters, no matter what u say. LOL Now, i wonder if i will be like that if i play an Imperial next time. LOL

Ulfric didn't need help to get into the city.... he just walked in and right into Blue Palace to challenge Torygg. I would think he hadn't a clue who Roggvir was. Other than "that dumb Imperial guard who let me out the gate, stupid sod".

I don't think allowing a Jarl into a city, then out constitutes being executed.

Ulfric's crime consists of him killing an innocent man to make sure a war would start plus, well, starting a war under a dubious premise. Later, he wages war on Winterhelm just for the sake of their refusal to give him a concise answer regarding whether they support him or not. I don't think there's ever been any sign he's a jerk who disregards the feelings of his men or lacks gratitude.

I will say, unlike Tullius' death there, I resent there being no option to challenge Ulfric to a duel and kill him with a shout then stab.

They should make that an achievement, "Irony."

This is how wars are conducted. No king is "innocent." They hold power over others, and with that power comes all the risk of the office. Torygg knew that or he wouldn't have accepted the duel in an attempt to either keep his throne or die with honor.

Whiterun is in a strategic position and is necessary for both sides to control. Tullius is also manipulating Balgruuf, telling Rikke to lie to him about Ulfric's intentions if she has to in order to get him to accept imperial troops. These guys aren't frosting cupcakes- a civil war is bloody, often protracted, and pits brother against brother. I expected it to be more savage than it was, but they went fairly PG-13. After he's deposed, Balgruuf is sitting in the basemant of the Blue Palace talking about seeing Ulfric's head on a pike. In all reality it would be the other way around.