Apple trying to patent a building ?!?!?

Post » Thu May 03, 2012 3:08 am

Just something to think about:
Germany did experience a cultural explosion over the time where it had no copyright.
That sounds interesting, when did that happen exactly? The 1920s? The 19th century?

As for the Apple building, I don't really see why they bother, when you have imitators it makes your original creation all the more famous.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:51 am

You know what they say; Don't file patents if you live in a glass house.

Apple would patent apples if it could.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 6:16 am

I like the idea of strong intellectual property laws, because it promotes innovation and growth, while rewarding the innovators and growers. In can, however be a hindrance (but an acceptable one) as it was in the case of Watt and the steam engine.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:11 am

I like the idea of strong intellectual property laws, because it promotes innovation and growth, while rewarding the innovators and growers. In can, however be a hindrance (but an acceptable one) as it was in the case of Watt and the steam engine.
Not sure if serious.

You know reform is needed when IP lawyers (the ones making money off these laws) want patent reform, as they do in the US.

Also, with the first-to-file system, you don't even need to have made the idea to be granted a patent anymore.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 8:05 pm

Not sure if serious.

You know reform is needed when IP lawyers (the ones making money off these laws) want patent reform, as they do in the US.
Hey, I'm not support this system or another system, just the idea of intellectual property as an abstract. Historically speaking, the development of intellectual property was a central factor in Europe becoming a technological powerhouse starting in the Late Medieval period. The prospect of great personal gain, which had previously only been available to merchants (for the most part), began to appear to the innovators and great thinkers, with the dawn of intellectual property.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:54 am

Hey, I'm not support this system or another system, just the idea of intellectual property as an abstract. Historically speaking, the development of intellectual property was a central factor in Europe becoming a technological powerhouse starting in the Late Medieval period. The prospect of great personal gain, which had previously only been available to merchants (for the most part), began to appear to the innovators and great thinkers, with the dawn of intellectual property.

I think that's the problem with it now, though: IP has become such an impenetrable tangle that it's once again only practically available to today's equivalents of those merchants and the like. If anything it's stifling the rise of new inventors and thinkers, and deliberately so.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 8:46 am

I think that's the problem with it now, though: IP has become such an impenetrable tangle that it's once again only practically available to today's equivalents of those merchants and the like. If anything it's stifling the rise of new inventors and thinkers, and deliberately so.
Yup, there's the cost to filing, the favoring of mass filing, no search system to make sure that similar patents haven't been filed in the past, an overworked patent approval system incapable of handling the influx of patents, the US Patent office makes 100% of its income from filed patents, creating incentives for allowing patents to be approved, and no experts in the fields related to the patents are involved in the approval process.

Creates a perfect storm of IP craziness even the IP lawyers don't like because it's so hard to figure out what's going on.
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Post » Thu May 03, 2012 12:18 am

That sounds interesting, when did that happen exactly? The 1920s? The 19th century?

As for the Apple building, I don't really see why they bother, when you have imitators it makes your original creation all the more famous.
It started after the chaos of the napoleonic wars alongside with the industrial revolution in "Germany".
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 10:15 pm

I don't have a problem with apple getting a patent on this building if there is something particularly novel about it that their clever engineers had to sit down and think up. Perhaps no glass structure has ever been as strong as this one, by virtue of its novel design? Nothing wrong with patenting that.

You claim that intellectual property protections stymie the development of new ideas. Have you considered what would happen to new ideas if we gave their creators no such protection or opportunity to profit from their creations? There would be no incentive to innovate, because as soon as you spent all the money to research and develop something, someone could just copy you and profit from your investments.

Innovation costs money. You have to protect people in such a way that they can at least get all their money back, and preferably then some on top of it. If you don't protect that, nobody will do R&D because it costs too much.

More thinking.
Also consider the case where you give an extensive protection, where they'll hang onto the cash cow for as long as possible with little to no innovation. Why should they even bother to continue to innovate when the IP laws removes all reason to.

Case in point: Copyright. Corporations have what, a century long copyright term? How is that even reasonable? Then there are all the copyright extensions, patent extensions, http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/01/scotus-re-copyright-decision/... It's insane. And individuals have until the death of the author + 70 years. Supporting grandchildren with limited to no connection to the work must have been a priority there.
It's also difficult to see how Apple would profit from patenting a building other from lawsuits.

This is what it has been boiling down to, isn't it? When you start to bend and break reality. Owning an idea is a preposterous claim, with no firm ground in reality. Take two engineers, have them live separate lives, separated by a giant ocean and then have them tinker. Now say both of them innovate the same contraption, but at different times. They have not met each other, there's no possible way for them to exchange ideas but because one worked a bit faster, this one managed to get a patent before the other, despite both having the same idea. The faster working engineer is claiming sole ownership of that idea when the other engineer also had the same idea. Clearly, ownership of an idea is an illusion.

If you're willing to introduce such an eldritch concept, the "ownership" should go to the cultural collective aka public domain as it's the closest thing to reality one can get to with the concept. Even though one can see ideas as means to an end, a product, you sell the product but share the ideas.

The filing describes a building with glass panels that are "arranged to form a cylindrical shape, where each panel comprises a single, or monolithic, glass piece, where each glass piece is substantially rectangular and includes two opposing long sides extending in a height direction and two opposing short sides extending substantially in a width direction, and where each glass piece forms an identical circular arc when viewed from either of the two opposing short sides."
The document acknowledges that glass structures have been around for some time and goes into great detail of the Shanghai stores, down to the thickness of each glass panel, beam and fin, which results in a patent that is not generic to any other building structure than this particular one.
So if I go into extreme detail, I can patent it even if such structures have already existed? Hold the phone, I need to grab an electron scanner microscope and document the precise locations of many tiny particles on a building nearby.
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Post » Wed May 02, 2012 7:13 pm

Not that I don't think it's a little over the top, but Apple is only patenting the very specific design, construction methods and materials of their store. I see nothing wrong with this. They're not saying nobody else can build a glass cylinder, just not one identical to theirs.

Yeah, it is a bit silly. But at least they're patenting something that actually exists and that they've made. Not like those "patent everything and sue sue sue!" clearinghouses who just throw around patent applications for anything that might exist someday.


The whole patent thing does need some serious reform.
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