This doesn't change the archery mechanics, it's just that from too far away the arrow went through the target. Maybe you didn't have this problem but I did and many others too.

Actually it's pretty accurate to reality. I go to archery ranges and shoot straight at targets up to 75 feet away and hit them.

Gonna have to try this. Although i havent made a Sniper character, and my mage doesnt try to hit things that far away anyway

I had this problem too. Had a guy dead in my sights, fired the arrow and it whizzed right through him like he was a ghost. I didn't think anything of it at the time because a battle ensued shortly thereafter, but now that I've seen this thread, I'm definitely gonna try this.

this fix is truly magic...

I noticed sometimes those npcs dont even react when u shoot them in the face from afar !?

bit of a difference if your shooting something 1000 feet away or more....

Any word on whether or not editing the ini has any effect on Steam achievements?

Here's the video...proof enough...stop messing with the .ini...then your game is going to work like supposed to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yeoJ_a9TbI&feature=channel_video_title

do explain the instances where my arrows refuse to connect with an enemy even though it should. I can see my arrows going through them an into the ground.

It is bugged in some way.

As I said, you don't have any problem but others do. How do you explain this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxmNZDhQEnY

So has this messed things up for anyone? In what way would it "corrupt path-finding"? What does that mean? What would I see? NPCs running around in circles?

my guess is that it might allow enemies to target further, such as when dragons attack, they seem to know when it is in range and when it isnt. It might let them shoot at dragons without stopping.

Interesting, so it never was a bug with archery Bethesda just didn't want people shooting that far. I wonder why they decided on that range, also the

f1PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.0
f3PArrowTiltUpAngle=0.0

is to remove auto aim.

Corrupt path-finding means that the game is unable to find a route between you and the NPC. Things like this would show up in a multitude of ways such as frozen mob that just stands there and dies, twitching mob who keeps attempted to go different directions at the same time, NPC teleportation, or possible game crash.

Has anyone encountered any problems? Also for the people that are so pro they use this do you just shoot at tiny pixels or do you "cheat" by using fov 10?

Yes, there was. Duke Patrick's Combat Archery. Which was written by spookyfx. Who posted in another archery thread that you should set f1PArrowTiltUpAngle and f3PArrowTiltUpAngle to 0.7 (I'm not clear on why he prefers 0.7 over 0) in your ini file.

If the author of that "very realistic archery mod in Oblivion" is suggesting essentially the same ini tweaks as everyone else, then I have to suspect that gamesas didn't integrate his mod very directly.


NO.

Editing your ini does not affect Steam achievements for Skyrim.
Using the console does not affect Steam achievements for Skyrim.
Using mods does not affect Steam achievements for Skyrim.

So far as I can tell (yes, I've done all of the above and yes, I still get Steam achievements) there is absolutely nothing you can do in Skyrim that will prevent you from getting Steam achievements with the possible exception of playing with Steam in offline mode, since that prevents the game from telling the Steam servers what you accomplished. (Some games "lose" achievements when in offline mode, others store them locally and inform Steam when you go back online. I don't know which of those categories Skyrim falls into.)

This is exactly the problem I've had also, and would like a non game-breaking fix that I know all the consequences of using. I've had a group of enemies looking at my last fallen arrow, and continued to fire over and over at the group and watched the arrow pass through them all without injury, over and over. Very frustrating.

I don't want an infinite range bow as trial and error (there is no wind drift) would allow sneak crit poisoned hits to dispatch tough targets without fear of attack. I would like to be able to definitely hit a target that is within reasonable range, however.

A system whereby after a certain distance the arrow rapidly falls from the sky would be ideal, so you get to see the arrow fall short and realise that your weapon is incapable of sending a shaft that far.

I play Skyrim on two different PC, steam on my laptop is always in "offline mode". I just switch to "online mode" sometimes to check for updates and I can confirm that the achievements you get in offline mode are updated when you go into online mode.



About the fix, as I said, it works very well but my sneak abilities are greatly decreased... For exemple, if I shoot a guard from max distance vision -ultra default settings, I tried different locations- when I'm sneaking he always detects me (and all other guards in his area) and they come to fight me, wherever I am... (Day or night it's the same.)

Without the fix, when I try same thing (but with a closer distance), guard doesn't detects me and after a few seconds of "research" I'm sneaking again.

So, I think there is a little problem with this. (It seems I'm the only one to have this issue btw...)

That's a nice video. It's doesn't show the problem. The guard you were shooting at is not effected by the bug this setting will fix. The easy way to test this is to set fVisibleNavmeshMoveDist=1.0000. With that you will not be able to hit any NPC that is effected by this bug even at close range while you will still be able to shoot at that guard and other NPC that are "active". eg: using a grindstone, sitting in a chair, using tanning rack.

Also, please do not make stuff up about game corrupting because of this fix.

The pathfinding has it's own ini section with over 100 constants, the Navmesh is what the game uses for pathfinding. I just want people to be aware that there could be some connection so they can look out for any problems. So far I haven't had any problems. I don't shoot at tiny pixels or use fov. Just playing the game normally I ran into the range limit a few times.

It could be that this allows the NPC to see further and detect you a bit better. What is your sneak at? When I was testing with some Forsworn I didn't notice them detecting me from range more then they did before and I'm still able to sneak up behind and slit throats with my dagger

PS:I think the town guards are just more alert then the Bandits/ Forsworn. The guards seem to know what direction the arrows are coming from the first time they are hit where as the Bandits take more for them to come and investigate. The guards only detected me if they ran up and spotted me. Try hiding behind a big rock if they come after you

This issue has been driving me mad and the solution works perfectly. Thank you!

Before reading what I have posted I want everyone to understand this is merely speculation based on my experience with programming and the information I have been provided with. Please DO NOT take this as the answer to all the problems or as a reason to discredit this fix I am merely giving my observations until I can test it fully.

Would you say it's best used it conjunction with spookyfx's earlier INI tweaks? Or do you just add these new tweak to a vanilla Skyrim.ini? Ta.

Yes, they did not...

They have almost all the features from my mod but implemented in a way that makes the bows feel like guns not archery. I wonder if that is because of base code from Fall Out or if they gave the archery dev to a person with FPS game experiences instead of archery experience or if it was on purpose to please the Halo and Call of Duty crowd? I guess I have a lot of work to do once the Creation Kit is out.

About the f1PArrowTiltUpAngle and f3PArrowTiltUpAngle

I spent almost an hour trying diffident settings and my .7 settings may not be perfect yet but it was good enough after the hour of trial and error. This setting will force the arrow to START from the middle of the cross hair at release, then drop down from gravity. The 0 setting starts the arrow way too far below the cross hair. Not that the cross hair is important to have on (sometimes I prefer it on and sometimes not) but the cross hair is the center of the screen an as such is where the arrow feels best to start from.

This "tilt arrow setting" will have no effect on your save game what so ever. I am not making any claim for any other INI setting, but this one setting only angles the arrow at the start of the release and will not effect AI or anything else in the game.

NPC archery (targeting) is not adversely effected by changing this setting with in reasonable parameters.

It would be nice to not NEED the cross hair on for archery, but because you do not have your other senses to help you aim (such as the sensory feedback from your arms as to the elevation of the bow) the cross hair can help to compensate for the limited 2d visual window you are given to target your opponents.

I think it's something to do with the range which actor fade is set to on the xbox. Maybe they didn't want people shooting farther than they can see and hitting something, and when they ported Skyrim to the PC they didn't mix the arrow range to actor fade?

Awesome. Set it to 14k and enjoyed some good old long distance longbow sniping. Proper, really, for a Nightingale.

I used my cheated save to test it so all skills/perks are maxed. (lol)

But yes, when I attack some random monsters/bandits they don't detect me (they look around but never see me because of the distance, so it's normal). For the guards, if I run just after hitting, they don't arrest me but if I stay in the area (behind a rock, house or something), they always come exactly where I am...

However, I have found an alternative solution to my issue, I just set the value of your fix to "8192" and it works well like this... I can attack a guard and sneak at the same place without be arrested or fought by all the guards in the area lol. 8192 is a quite closer compared to 12288 but by the way, I can't hit a guy at 12000 distance without reduce the fov. So "8192" it's a good compromise (for me), anyway it's still the double of the basic value.

Thanks a lot for this fix! That was the really only thing which irritates me in Skyrim and you solved it!

Now I will enjoy it with my main character!

(And sorry for my bad english, I try to write in an understandable way but the result is perhaps not what I expected ahah.)