The only reason I can think of is that they are under control, being a known veriable. Same reaso I can think of they dont ask to kill oda, because hes useful.

Paarhas served his purpose and now an unknown variable and under no ones control. Thats basically what I got from delphie. But weither or not we think those actions are right thats what they believe in.

I was responding to the assumption that the emporers were protecting paar and I listed my reasoning why the blades were ok letting it slide. By going by history, tiber basically recruited the dragons with, u fight for me and do the tasks I ask or u be put down. And with tiber as a dragonborn with an army behind him. Tiber didnt have time for anyone who was not useful, and the dragons that u mentioned were kept alive because they either faught for him or set to guarding a cave or whatnot.

Im saying paar was under their protection not for that he was a good dragon, its more along the lines that even though he had no use to them atm or didnt pose a threat, it was more along the lines that u had to go thru the greybeards and no matter how the blades got past them, they had to gamble losing skyrim as an ally which wasnt worth one dead dragon.

The blades demand it of you because this is the very first time since theyve found his location that someone can get in and bypass the greybeards. They didnt demand it from the emporers becaused it would have jeopardized the emporers position and well being, whereas the dragonborn can bypass the extreme consequences and just put down the dragon.

Their both old bags. If they weren't essential I would show you the scum inside of them.

The remaining two Blades are ignorant, arrogant, and have actually lost sight of what "Serve the Dragonborn" means. They're supposed to help you kill Dragons, not order you to do all of the heavy lifting whilst they ride along off of you accolades for a good portion of the MQ.

And if you should say "No." to killing Parthurnaax, then they should have gone along with that. You are, after all, the Dragonborn.

But no.

They abandon you and throw tantrums like spoiled 5-year-olds should you tell them you won't do it.

I agree with Barnaby... if they weren't marked as essential, I'd happily show you the moronic stuffing inside of them.

1. "Serve the Dragonborn" is BS. They don't KNOW YOU and what are your TRUE intentions. Claiming that they should serve and die for an unknown person they've just met is stupid.
2. Killing Paarthurnax is a test to see if you want to become a part of their mission, if you wanna be a Blade and hunt Dragons. Being called a Dragonborn does not necessarily mean you want to dedicate your entire live to be one. Also you are the only one who can meet Greybeard's Master freely. How would you imagine a group of Blades entering High Hrothgar?
3. They are a secret organization, if you don't become one of them why should they share their secrets and knowledge with you? I can't imagine e.g. CIA letting and unathorised personnel enter their HQ.
4. After you recruit new Blades they help you hunt Dragons... if you wish so.


We know for a fact that they are considered dangerous and a threat to the Thalmor. Claiming that they are bad and evil is pure imagination. Also after you kill Alduin Esbern literally bows to you in gratitude and says that we should speek with Delphine asap because she's worried about us. Yup they are ingnorant and arrogant... not .

Well, they fail MY test. I don't know them either except as two occasionalty useful excentrics who claim to be blades. What I do know is Parth originally taught men to shout ( and legend says he was inspired by Kynareth) and so saved us all.


Seriously I can see their point but they need to prioritize even if I agreed with it. Parth should be last to go. The ones still running wild first . What about Odhaving? Not a word about him. A big part of the issue is they have Obnoxious personality disorder. IMO

Paarthurnax does not serve the Dragonborn.
Odahviing does. He even said something like "I submit to your Thu'um".

You have your differance.

also I chaulk up there timing of presenting the ultimatum to you because I believe they have priveledge information that after alduins defeat, paar gains the all mighty essential tags. A dragon so powerful that can only be defeated by the almighty godheads console commands.

Just saying, they are a superior spy organization and has the largest collection of dragon lore....

1.Ehh, my post never said they are "bad and evil" to the core. Doing bad things does not make a person bad. The world is not black and white.

2. And I find this confusing, to say the least. So, because the Thalmor consider them dangerous that automatically means they are good people? Wha...I really don't get this logic. Have you never met a "good" person that has made mistakes in their lives? Have you never met a "good" person that was forced by circumstances to do something that is not always considered "right"?
The world is not split between "good" and "bad/evil" people...Is it that hard to consider that Delphine and Esbern (which you consider to be "good" I take it) could have done some not so good things in their life in order to survive/not be found out by the Thalmor? What if some random peasant somehow overheard one of Delphine's secrets. I honestly see Delphine slitting that guys throat without a doubt.

3. "worried about us" does not necessarily mean worried like a good friend would be. One can be worried about a lot of things. "Bad" people get worried too, you know. Also, one can, let's say, be worried about what a soldier does on the battlefield, because the outcome of that soldier's actions could mean doom or salvation, that does not mean that he is worried about the welfare of the soldier itself. He could care less if the soldier lives or dies, as long as he fulfills his mission.

Edit: Also, please note that I never wrote they are ignorant. I could call them a lot of things but not ignorant.

My post wasn't directed strictly to you. Read all the quotations.

Yeah, but that comment was after my quote.
No biggie, it's just that I really don't consider them ignorant so I wanted to make that clear. I don't agree with them, I don't like them, but I don't see them as ignorant.

And by the same token, I don't know them or their true intentions. I do know that one of them deliberately interfered with something I was trying to accomplish in order to force a meeting with her. Then I had to prove I was valuable enough to be of any use to her, then I had to go on a wild goose chase for info that didn't exist, then I had to go find a guy who was a complete stranger to me and prove I was trustworthy enough for him to accept my help so I could reunite them. Then I had to help them find a safe haven and source of even more info and use my own blood to get it open because without that they were locked out.

All of which I had to do for a couple of unkonwn persons I'd just met, and who I was forced to meet because one of them used an underhanded trick to arrange it. When do they start proving to me that they're worth my time and cooperation and allegiance over the longterm?

Yes they were useful up to a point, but since they only seem interested in me as long as I'm useful to them and willing to comply with their wishes, I see no reason not to return the favor with equal gusto.


I dunno, they shared enough to allow me to do the all things I needed to do that absolutely required their assistance. What else have they got? Help killing dragons? Even if that's what I wanted to dedicate the rest of my life to doing, I don't really need their help with it.


I would be more impressed with what a threat they are to the Thalmor in 4E 201 if they were actually out there, you know, killing them and undermining their plans. As it stands they are a couple of loose cannons left over from an organization that has ceased to exist in any effective form. Unless their fortunes change for the better as a result of some still unforeseen developments, they need the Dragonborn far more than the Dragonborn needs them and maybe they should stop and think about that before they risk alienating him/her so completely.

All IMO of course.

Man, before all these scumbag threads i had almost forgotten there was a word "scumbag" used for swearing at others

And no i don't think the Blades are scumbags. Though Esbern is annoying at times.

Bull [censored]. After you "prove yourself on mission going to get info that doesn't exist, Delphine refers to you as the Dragonborn every. chance. she. gets. They do to know me, and frankly these guys are about as helpful as a bullet wound.

Not to mention:

^ This applies in everything in regards to the Blades.


By this logic, since it doesn't matter that Parthurnaax has changed his ways, he still has to die for what he did in the past. Ok, cool. Going by Lore, the Blades have committed some of the worst atrocities against every race in Tamriel. So, how about we remove those "essential" tags and let me punish them for their organizations' crimes? It only follows the same logic that the Blades themselves set down. It's arrogant ignorance to think that they can use this logic to get me to kill Parthurnaax and not be subject to it themselves.


They're so secret that everyone has heard of them and their roles in the past, right? just because everyone thinks they're wiped out doesn't mean they're still a "secret organization", there's just two of them and they dare not say anything because they're so inept that they can't do guerrilla tactics against the roving bands of Thalmor. Nope, they're just perfectly happy wallowing in their own misery and fear to the point that even the memory of the Blades is an incompetent joke.



And they help you about as much as Delphine does. Which means they get in the way and prevent you from performing good maneuvers against whichever Dragon you are currently fighting. They're no better than cannon fodder when fighting a Dragon, and Delphine's comments about you (the Dragonborn) needing the Blades to help you kill Dragons is laughable. From my memory. I've killed every. single. Dragon. that our little party has ever come across. I've killed many Dragons before you ever decided to send me on four wild-goose-chases, and I did it solo. Recruiting new Blades is lower on my concern list than tomorrow morning's BM.


Yeah... both of them. The two of them do nothing without the player, and even when the player is around they're more of a hindrance than such a great danger. Aside from the goal of complete eradication, the two (2) surviving Blades about as dangerous as a wet sneeze. So that reasoning doesn't fly, and I have read all of the in-game lore. the Blades were a danger at one time, but not any more. And as far as that docier you find in the Thalmor embassy, that's incorrect info based off of old info. Read the other stuff about the fall of the Blades. The Thalmor may still be hunting them to complete their destruction, but the Blades are a laughing stock to the Thalmor.

theres pros and cons to killing paar and joining the blades and letting live and letting the blades continue on without you.

No they aint scumbags nor are they holy saints. At least they give the ultimatum after the dragonborn has every piece of info and help he needs to take down alduin. They are dragonslayers and it does seem funny to associate with someone who is sparing xragons that are not under his control. Weither u agree with their cause or not, u can just not do it and leave them to go their own way or u can prove urself someone behind their cause and kill him.

Scumbags, no. they just have the balls to ask us to prove ourselfs to their cause and the balls to say no to us if we dont. Weither we agree with it or not, they have the right to ask us to prove ourselves behimd their cause and we have the right to say nay or yay to them and continue on with the consequences.

Or, one can see it this way too, after they're cozily tucked away in their temple that they needed the Dragonborn to open.

I'll humor you and answer:

I think the Blades need to accept that their ancient role of old dictates that they are to follow and serve the Dragonborn, not the other way around.

I did, in fact, "kill" them. without using the console.

Process:

1. Settle the Civil War. It doesn't matter if you side with the Legion or the Stormcloaks. Just do it.
2. when you are taken to the Dragon Wall (or whatever it is) in the MQ, pay close attention to the path of the second barrier. Get everything of the Blades you want, because you won't be coming back (the dragon slaying Katana is nice to have).
3. on the way out, pull the chain that lowered the stone "Drawbridge". This will raise the "Drawbridge", sealing them within the "Blade's Compound". Be sure to follow the correct path back so as to not get yourself killed.
4. When the need to trap a dragon to get to Alduin for the second battle comes, just ask Paarthurnax for it.

With the Civil War settled, And Odahviing found another way, the so-called "Blades" are entombed. Hope they like the taste of stone!

eh at the beginning everything that you did for the blades had mutual benefits. You got the info u needed to fight and defeat alduin and the blades got a jumpstart in reestablishing their organization.

As far as the oath, that oath was to tiber septim and to all the successors of his empire. His empire ended with martins death, so that oath is null and void now. They even referenced that tiber at that time was the dragonborn and greatest slayer of dragons. If the dragonborn is going to spare a dragon that is neither under his control or a known factor, how would our dragonborn be the greatest dragonslayer in their eyes when he is saving dragons? Yes our dragonborn with their help took down alduin BC we were prophesied too weither we wanted to or not, and also the dragons we killed in the wilderness in self defence?? By killing paar, it shows that the dragonborn is behind their cause. Also dont forget the last grp of people they swore to ended up not jeeding their words and got thrown to the wolves from them. I see no reason why they cant ask for a specific task to prove that ur with their cause, when before u could have been using them to get what you needed and nothing more. Why are the scumbags when they ask for something that benefits solely them to go to the next step when before u had been scratching each others back to take down alduin??
Could also that serve and protect means differently to other people. Some see that as them solely being servents and obeying every whim and some see it as protecting andserving u by training up followers to help protect you, Intel to where dragons are located, and armor, weapons, and perks to further help you on your journey.
Choice is urs. Go with them and further their cause and have the best secret organization albeit it a zealous one helping you, or feel good about yourself or feel that paar has changed and leave the blades to continue on without you.