[Jay Baby]

So I assume that, as you've not mentioned any patches for, er, the other mods by the same author, that it's all compatible?

[Chloe :)]

I would think so (Vorians is pretty good about compatibility patches), but make sure you clean them with TES4Edit first. Those mods are known for having a lot of junk attached to them.

[ijohnnny]

Way ahead of you~

[Georgia Fullalove]

If our archive includes a compatibility patch for one of his mods, then it needs that patch to be compatible. Any of his mods where we have not provided a compatibility patch should be fully compatible already, either because I made adjustments within the main BC files themselves to ensure this, or just out of luck, since no effort was made to be compatible by the other modder.

[Amysaurusrex]

Is Slof's Goth Shop still in Chorrol? I didn't see it there.


Edit: I think I know where it is now.

[victoria gillis]

It is still in Chorrol, near the Old Prison.

[Lisha Boo]

It is still in Chorrol, near the Old Prison.

I'm definitely not seeing it. Would the door icon appear if I ran past it? I'll try exploring around the Old Prison some more. I thought it used to be across from Chorrol Goods & Trade...

[Rachel Hall]

I have discovered an Exit City Exploit in Bravil while practicing my Acrobatics just now.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7140/exitcityexploitbbc.jpg This is the crack in the wall next to the Ballista tower, very close to the main gate, and as easy to get to as walking up a couple flights of stairs and making an easy jump onto a rooftop. It is then possible to jump out of the city here.

Might be able to compensate simply by moving that chimney a little closer to the wall (the collision on it seems to be off).

LO in case you want to see it:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  TR_OoT_Main.esm02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.73]04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]06  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]07  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]08  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm09  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.3]0A  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0F  Better Cities .esp10  LoadingScreens.esp11  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]12  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]13  AN Scripts.esp14  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]++  Symphony of Violence.esp15  MIS Low Wind.esp16  Rainbows.esp17  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]18  WindowLightingSystem.esp19  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]1A  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 5.1]1B  FF_Real_Thirst.esp1C  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]1D  Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp  [Version 1.8]1E  FormID Finder4.esp1F  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]20  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]21  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 1.4]22  DLCHorseArmor.esp23  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]24  DLCOrrery.esp25  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]26  DLCVileLair.esp27  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]28  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp29  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2A  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]2B  Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs.esp2C  DLCThievesDen.esp2D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]2E  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.73]2F  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]30  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.73]31  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]32  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]33  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]++  Adonnays Elven Weaponry for NPCs - Armamentarium piggyback.esp34  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]35  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - LessReaversInGates.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Balrogs.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]36  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]37  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]38  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.73]39  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp3A  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp3B  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.4]3C  TR_Stirk.esp3D  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp3E  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3F  DLCFrostcrag.esp40  Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp41  FrostcragRebornCobl.esp42  Knights.esp43  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]44  The Lost Spires.esp45  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.2.COBL]46  MannimarcoRevisited.esp47  MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp  [Version 0.1]48  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.8]49  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]4A  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp4B  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]4C  xulTheHeath.esp4D  XulEntiusGorge.esp4E  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]4F  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]50  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]51  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]52  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]53  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]54  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]55  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]56  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]57  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]58  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]59  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]5A  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]5B  xulPantherRiver.esp5C  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]5D  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]5E  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]5F  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]60  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]61  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp62  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]63  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]64  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.1]65  FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp66  SnowdaleOOOPatch.esp67  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp68  OOOCliffsofAnvilPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]69  NRB4+UL-II Patch.esp  [Version 5.0.1]6A  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp6B  ImpeREALForts+LostSpires Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]6C  Better Cities - House price patch.esp  [Version 1.0]6D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]6E  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]6F  HUD Status Bars.esp  [Version 2.0.1]70  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp71  Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp  [Version 1.0]72  RealisticFatigue.esp73  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]74  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.89]75  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]76  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]77  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]++  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]78  Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp  [Version 3.6]79  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp7A  nGCD.esp7B  nGCD Oghma Infinium.esp++  nGCD Skeleton Key.esp7C  ProgressArmorer.esp  [Version 1.0]**  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Thieves Den.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Kvatch Rebuilt.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - Lost Spires.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Colovian Highlands.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Lost Coast.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Brena.esp**  Let There Be Darkness - UL Blackwood Forest.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.78]++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.78]7D  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]7E  Better Cities Full.esp  [Version 4.8.3]7F  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]80  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]81  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]82  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]83  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.1]84  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]85  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]86  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]87  Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]88  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]89  Bashed Patch, 0.esp8A  MergedMaps.esp

[Ellie English]

It is still in Chorrol, near the Old Prison.

I found it.


Thanks for the help.
- Tomlong75210


Edit: wording

[Mrs Pooh]

I have discovered an Exit City Exploit in Bravil while practicing my Acrobatics just now.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7140/exitcityexploitbbc.jpg This is the crack in the wall next to the Ballista tower, very close to the main gate, and as easy to get to as walking up a couple flights of stairs and making an easy jump onto a rooftop. It is then possible to jump out of the city here.

Might be able to compensate simply by moving that chimney a little closer to the wall (the collision on it seems to be off).

Once you're on the city walls, you can also simply jump over the battlements anywhere along the walls, not just at that location. Chimneys are attached to buildings, so they cannot be moved without also relocating the entire structure below! Chimney and building, it's all one mesh.

Anyone acrobatic enough or desiring enough to get onto the walls (and in Bravil there's actually a section of wall you can simply walk to the top of from the ground) should use their common sense and recognise that jumping off the walls is "not a good idea" - those who do jump over need to increase their Intelligence and/or Willpower attributes to curb these suicidal tendencies.

[sam westover]

OK, not much that can be done about it, so I'll say no more.

Unfortunately, I've got a new one:

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/9751/missingiconbbc.jpg

Picture taken of my FormID Finder scroll.

[Jeffrey Lawson]

OK, not much that can be done about it, so I'll say no more.

Unfortunately, I've got a new one:

http://img814.imageshack.us/img814/9751/missingiconbbc.jpg

Picture taken of my FormID Finder scroll.

That's a vanilla texture found in the file "Oblivion - Textures - Compressed.bsa" so if you're missing it, you've probably got vanilla BSA problems. Totally unrelated to BC. Maybe you need to update your BSA invalidation settings, however you are handling this?

[Bigze Stacks]

Strange... this is the only vanilla texture the game has tripped on ever with this install.

OBMM probably screwed up on the BSA Alteration. I'll check again with Redirection only.

EDIT: Actually, it was just FormID Finder being stupid. The icon was never missing at all.

Sorry to bother you with this. :sadvaultboy:

[Anna Kyselova]

I seem to be missing sign textures, and only on things Better Cities added. I used all three main files from Nexus.

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac315/mikerea42/ScreenShot0.jpg

[james kite]

You didn't install "Better Cities - Textures EV,BSA"

[N3T4]

Is it possible to make a compatibility patch for Strotis ic player home? I have left a request at that author's site as well, hopefully this can be done? Regardless thanks for a great mod.

[Gavin boyce]

You didn't install "Better Cities - Textures EV,BSA"

-snip- Found it. Thanks!

Also, have you heard of any problems with BC and Midas Magic? I know Midas adds a building in the Imperial City, so I'm just wondering if there's been any reported cases of conflicts between the two.

[Marilú]

I don't recall any conflict reports for Midas Magic. If it's not listed in the opening post of this thread, then assume that we don't know either way and give it a try.

Th3Sa1n7 when requesting a compatibility patch, you need to provide a link to the mod in question before we would even consider it.

[priscillaaa]

Th3Sa1n7 when requesting a compatibility patch, you need to provide a link to the mod in question before we would even consider it.

Sorry about that. Here's the link: http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35485

[Victor Oropeza]

Even after reading the readme, I am still not certain about the open cities option. Is this already included or is this in the works? If its not included yet, does the "Old Open Better Cities 3.1" conflict with Better Cities 4.8.4?

[Amy Smith]

The changelog does state what has been done so far. Anvil, Bruma, Cheydinhal, Chorrol and Skingrad include an option to switch on Open Better Cities. Leyawiin is in the works at the moment, and Bravil has not been done yet. Old OBC (OOBC) is really out-dated now, and is better not used, but if you really want to, then ensure that you use the BC ESM not the OOBC ESM, and do not use the FULL ESPs from either mod, and do not use an ESP from either mod if you are using an ESP from the other mod for the same city. Otherwise, they're probably still compatible unless something in the BC ESM which OOBC uses has been edited so that OOBC no longer finds it, in which case OOBC may not work fully correctly.

[Emma Louise Adams]

So far for me everything is working great! However, I noticed that in the bath house in the market district, the water is black. I did a search and couldn't find anything. The water doesn't appear to be black anywhere else. I have better water HD installed, and have all reflections enabled; not sure if that could be the issue or not.

[Dan Stevens]

Yes that happens to some people, we don't know why.

[^~LIL B0NE5~^]

Possible graphics issue and question about containers

First off, let me say that I've been using BC for years. I can't play without it, great mod.

However, I'm seeing two issues with my current (just created) mod setup that I "think" may be BC related.

The first one is something I've never seen in all the years I've played Oblivion. Coming out of the sewers (so, finishing the beginning tutorial) I headed up the hill towards IC. Then, every so often as soon as I left the dock area, my screen would go blank. Here are the details.
1. By "blank" screen I mean that my entire screen was a flat light blue in color. My HUD was still visible, the sound was still working, but other than that, nothing except a blank screen.
2. If I went to first person, the graphics immediately pop back. If I go back to 3rd person, the graphics immediate disappear and all I see is the empty blue screen (HUD is visible and sound still working).
3. This only occurs looking towards the city. And, only at particular angles located at particular positions. So, I can go back and repeat the issue at the same place. When it happens, I can move/look slightly to one side, or move forward/backward, and the graphics pop back in and out of view.
4. It only occurs when I'm standing still or if I'm running. Doesn't seem to occur when I'm walking (or, it happens so fast I don't notice it).
5. It does not occur once I get close to the city (say, 10 yards) away. And, it does not occur inside the city.
6. When I installed BC, I select "no" when asked it I wanted to view IC when distant (or, something similar). I also said "no" when it asked if I wanted the FPS patches.
7. I do have the latest BC version.
8. I don't have any of the yellow "missing textures" icons/markings.

I have not gone to any other cities yet, or approached IC from a different direction. Other than that issue (which is very immersive breaking : ), the graphics are incredibly nice.

Here is my load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  EnhancedWeather.esm  [Version 1.4.4]02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]04  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]05  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.4]06  CM Partners.esm07  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.4]08  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]09  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp0A  DLCShiveringIsles.esp0B  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]0C  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp0D  EnhancedWeather.esp  [Version 1.4.4]0E  EnhancedWeather - Darker Nights, 80.esp  [Version Final]0F  Enhanced Weather - Across-The-Borders Mods Patch.esp  [Version Final]10  Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp11  AmbientTownSounds.esp12  MIS Low Wind.esp13  Storms & Sound.esp14  WindowLightingSystem.esp15  ChaseCameraMod.esp16  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]17  Enhanced Seasons.esp  [Version 1.3.1]18  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp19  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp1A  Armamentium female.esp1B  Slof's Horses Base.esp1C  Command Mount.esp1D  HorseSpeedEqualsPlayerSpeed.esp1E  Francesco's More Wilderness Life.esp1F  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp20  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp21  Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp22  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp23  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]24  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]25  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]26  ArmamentariumLL.esp  [Version 1.35]27  ArmamentariumLLMagic.esp  [Version 1.35]28  EM_CompInnsleeping.esp  [Version 0.9]29  Blood&Mud.esp2A  Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp2B  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]2C  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]2D  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp2E  GP_Lockpicks.esp  [Version 1.5]2F  Oblivifall - Ambiant Dungeon SFX.esp  [Version 1.2]30  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]31  SkycaptainsBloodTime.esp32  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]33  ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp34  BountyReductionOverTime_standard.esp  [Version 1.1]35  sycHearNoEvil.esp  [Version 1.0]36  Francesco's Slower skills x1.5.esp37  RealisticLeveling.esp38  EVE_KhajiitFix.esp39  CM Partners.esp3A  CM Partners NPC.esp3B  1em_Vilja.esp  [Version 3.1]3C  1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Xtudo.esp3D  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp3E  Better Cities .esp3F  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp  [Version 4.8.4]40  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.4]41  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]42  Francesco's 7 days respawn time.esp

It doesn't show in the above list, but I also have Bomret's detailed textures and CorePC (sp?) Vibrant mod and patch.

The second issue that I "think" may be related to BC is that all the containers (or, the ones I've tested) in BC seem to be flagged as "owned". That is, when you place the hand over the container, the hand is red. I don't ever recall that before. That is, I thought that I was always able to take anything from any of the containers. I don't think I'm running anything else that would cause that (the game before I had TIE and EE installed, but this is an entirely new install and I don't think either has ever touched the game. I do have COBL, but I don't think it does that. Maybe I should check. Also, I'm running FRANS (no items version), but I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect the containers. I tried looking for a BC ini file to see if that was an option that was switchable, but I don't see any BC ini.

Anyway, if anyone has any ideas about the above issues, I'd sure like to hear them.

Thanks,

Tarl

[Wayland Neace]

There are 2 required resources files, but the readme only mentions installing one of them. Do I install only the "permanent" version, or 4.8.1? Or do I install both of them, and if so, in what order?