Is ultima IX considered an rpg?

Welcome to the dark age of gaming OP, where the meaning of RPG has been twisted and contorted and instead games placed under that catagory should instead be in the Action Adventure catagory, Skyrim included.
Multi corporations/media have caught on to gaming and see it as another fast sorce of income, pumping out games you dont want to play, but what they want you to play, even though the last release is exactly the same thing, it has just had a paint job *COD is a prime example here*.
The west scorned and mocked Japan for it's RPGs and effectively [censored] them and destroyed RPGs that had meaning, that wern't depressing and were trying to get across a powerful message, now instead we are left 'RPGS' like Fallout and Skyrim where all you do is kill kill kill, nothing positive ever happens, and if it does? It is quite a neutral positivity.
True gamers saw this comming quite a while ago, the future is bleak now for games, especially when big companies literally squash any smaller ones trying to do their own thing...

What is wrong with positivity? What is wrong with being happy? What is wrong about doing true good and bringing justice to those who deserve it? Think about it.

Yeah. Screw the gamers and come with the money. They are not the same anymore. Perhaps if we, the forum users, protested enough the bethesda dudes would listen. That or we would be silenced

Some of it may be nostalgia but plenty still play the older games (which means it cant be nostalgia on the whole) as they play them to get and do things you simply cant in the newer ones. Why I still play Dagger, Morrow, and even OB.

I do kind of enjoy Skyrim for what it is, but as a TES game, not so much. Whatever, I still play through it. I enjoy playing as a Vampire Lord and tossing Giants around for my amusemant. Those things are finally getting what they deserve after what they've put me through! Anyways, the company of Bethesda just seems so...different. I was reading the Daggerfall manual and I came across this, straight from the mouths of Bethesda: This kind of philosophy given by Bethesda is some solid advice. The fact they tried to accomodate failure is in credible. They really had an emphasis on role playing, in contrast to today where the emphasis is on action and graphics, rather than gameplay. They are more focused on creating a nice looking world than a game of complicated politics, storyline and dialogue. Wow. Just wow. That entire statement seems to be in conflict with Skyrim. Skyrim's emphasis is on a nice looking world(I will give props where they are due, places such as the Forgotten Vale, the Soul Cairn and the final location for the MQ are all breath taking.) and action. Skyrim does away with dialogue, story and the likes for action. There are very few instances where I am blown away by story because honestly, there isn't much. Same goes for dialogue. The most you'll ever get is a sob story from Ulfric and Galmar, which has lots of emotions and fire. Perhaps the next best person with any interesting dialogue is St. Jiub. Not to mention that you, the character, have almost nothing to say. You are ALWAYS the bystander just walking into something. You are never included, minus Season Unending. Your dialogue choices always consist of "Yes, I'll gladly do it!" and "No, I refuse to take part!" but both answers are the same because you take up the task regardless. Most of the time you only have ONE dialogue option. Often a person will ask you "Have you heard of ____?" and your choice is usually no. So, what happened? My point mostly lies in the second quote. Bethesda clearly did a 180 and did the exact thing they said they didn't want to do. Who knew that such a great RPG would eventually become an action adventure game, with almost no emphasis on the character? Just something to think about, really. Oh how ideals and philosophies can change due to something as trivial as time.

That is also a great philosophical point- don't you still want to play those games? Should Bethesda make them redundant by taking everything, every single thing, that made them 'great' and just add a different chapter to the story?

You see, I think that's what makes the TES series so great- I can play any chapter and have a different experience due to the changes made in gameplay, stats, skills, etc. If they just carbon copied the same stats, same strengths and weaknesses and just added a 'new' adventure, I think that would get old fast. Isn't that what we complain about the shooter franchises? "Oh, Call of Duty 3 is just the same shooting game but with different missions."

They might as well add them. It's not like we're getting a bunch of new stuff with Skyrim. Smithing (linear crafting mechanic), a handful of perks that actually add something new to the series, and dual wielding weapons. That's about it. If your not going to put the staples of the series in, you at least have to replace them with enough stuff. They didnt. Sky would be a better game with SC, acrobatics, H2H skill, degradation, inherent variables, etc.

the often alluded notion that RPGs are somehow a superior class of games that only a selected few connoisseurs are able to truly enjoy and understand while the brute hordes flock to the brain-numbing finger-crippling graphical extravaganza that is FPS is [censored]. It is shabby fiction, truhful alone in the minds of those who propagate it.

The often alluded notion that RPGs are somehow a superior class of games that only a selected few connoisseurs are able to truly enjoy and understand while the brute hordes flock to the brain-numbing finger-crippling graphical extravaganza that is FPS is [censored]. It is shabby fiction, truhful alone in the minds of those who propagate it.

"THat's why I love people who play role playing games. Theyy're so reasonable."

Whaaat??

I understand you feel that Skyrim is lacking, but you're not really addressing the point: if you've played the previous games, you found things in them that you enjoyed. Do you think you would have enjoyed them as much if they were just carbon copies of Daggerfall's playstyle? Daggerfall in Morrowind? Daggerfall in Oblivion?

If nothing changed except for the location, do you think you would have found them as fascinating and rewarding? I don't think I would have. I enjoy progression, and part of progression is not just acquiring the new, but letting go of the old.

Really depends on the franchise. That's all I'm gonna say so I don't give this thread any firewood to burn.