At least with the accusation of id, we will likely see a very well done FO4

Um, no. They may have improved upon it, but they have absolutely not fixed it. I say this because I recently got done playing a new character in FO:NV with all the add-ons and believe me, towards the end - the game turned pretty much unplayable after ~30 minutes of playing. Only thing that helped was a restart, which bought me another 30 minutes to play, etc.

Let's hope for our sake they won't hang us out to dry. The Skyrim lag on PS3 must be fixed! I'm not going to bash their games, but I am going to keep keep pushing this point across until the lag is fixed for us. Don't let up until we get our fix and money's worth.

Fallout 4 will be made with the new IDtech engine, I guarantee it bros.

I doubt Fallout 4 will even be on this gen. The PS4 will have at least 2GB of RAM so this problem will likely dissapear.

i wish i had known about there track record this is the first bethesda game iv owned from release day i only had oblivion before and i bought that like last year so there were no issues with it no need to research bugs meaning i didnt find out what bethesda was like my brother has fallout 3 and fallout NV on ps3 again quite some time after release i think there special editions actually and hes never complained of problems and my partner who bought me skyrim has an xbox so bethesda games never really played up for him so for some consumers bethesdas track record isn't something were aware of untill were made aware by buying one of there games new within the first 6 months of release (thats if the user has problems as i said my brothers never complained of problems with the fallouts) and end up having a horrid bug and googleing it

I wouldn't buy that for two reasons:

1. Bethesda flat out said the PS3 version was getting special attention (or whatever, I'm paraphrasing)

2. There are a TON of consumers who don't have the time or means to troll the web checking our reviews of previous titles, especially per console. Say if you are a semi-enthusiastic gamer and get one of the target agnostic magazines, then you would only hear the rave reviews of beth's games, and likely only find out about broken stuff like fo3 and fonv AFTER the fact.

The XBOX version does not render in 1080p - fact. That's upscaled garbage

Elder Scrolls and Bethesda are like Sports teams. People are just fans of certain sports and teams, and even when the team is bad the still watch, because they can't help themselves.

I love the NFL and my favorite team is the Pats, as a lifelong fan, I watched them when they were 1-15 and when the won the super bowl. Even tho I still watched, I had EVERY RIGHT to complain about that 1-15 team, it's coach, the owner, the management etc...

Maybe I look at this the wrong way but here goes: My friends play the game on different devices but my only gaming "rig" is a PS3. I see people running the game on 800 dollar (or more) decked out PC and still experience bugs. The main issue I had with the PS3 was the lagging problems. I replaced the internal drive with a hybrid drive, one with a small NAND space of 8Gb and a 500Gb 7200 RPM spinning drive.
Sure I had to invest money my 160Gb was running low on space any ways. That got rid of the lagging.... completely!! Now about the bugs, yes there are some bugs in the program, too bad they were not squished out when the game was being produced, maybe 12/12/12 would have given the developers more time. The only thing I personally can do is log the bugs, take screen (camera) shots and send them over to Bethesda. Oblivion (Elderscrolls 4) was just a blast to play and today I have put in about 180 hours of fun play and am at level 48 just about to attack Riften.

i will definitly buy fallout 4(not for ps3 tho) they make great games, id hope by the time fallout 4 comes out there playstation problems will be sorted out.