A bit of a conundrum ... suggestions appreciated

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:54 pm

Do you store your filled gems in seperate containers from the empty ones? If not, and you have several houses, it's possible the bug strikes occassionally but you just haven't noticed. Otoh, there's nothing definitive that it effects every player so maybe it just flat doesn't exist in your game. {shrug}

Nope, all soul gems are lumped together, filled and unfilled.

Maybe I'm just lucky.
User avatar
Kelly Tomlinson
 
Posts: 3503
Joined: Sat Jul 08, 2006 11:57 pm

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:47 pm

Make a save and try the suggestion that I posted above...
User avatar
katsomaya Sanchez
 
Posts: 3368
Joined: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:03 am

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:50 pm

Consider yourself lucky....I have tested this in several different homes and several kinds of containers. It does happen, and you can in fact lose your souls. The only reliable way I have found around this is to place your filled gems in a chest, and hope that they stack. If you have a stack with, lets say 10 lesser gems in it, you can safely remove 4 of them, sometimes even 6, but when you grab that 7'th one it will be empty, about 75% of the time.

Yeah, stacks seem the least likely to blank in my experience too. But in my testing, it only seemed foolproof (given my limited data) if moving the entire stack in either direction -- and since it *has* to be a stack, any less than six is a pure crapshoot. Even with the stacks though, as I mentioned awhile ago, they can still get "maked" but appear intact until moving them to an otherwise reliable inventory -- i.e. a followers.**

I know this isn't a game-breaking bug but, nonetheless, it's definitely the most annoying one I've bumped into since all the seeming workarounds are also either bugged or limit RP options.

** Edit: I should clarify this I think with one of my tests in Breezehome:

Have ten filled lesser soul gems in my inventory (no blanks) and transfer the whole stack to an otherwise empty container; they stay intact. I move the whole stack back to my inventory; they stay intact. I move partial stack (seven of the ten) to my follower's inventory (again no blanks); the stack of seven loses their souls.
User avatar
joannARRGH
 
Posts: 3431
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:09 am

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:06 pm

When moving entire stacks, one thing that I found that works with grand, greater, and sometimes common, is to place all you empty gems in a separate container, before trying to retrieve any filled gems. In other words, make sure that you only have filled gem in you inventory, then remove the filled gems that you want from the container. Once that is done, you can then retrieve any empty gems that you want.
User avatar
evelina c
 
Posts: 3377
Joined: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:28 pm

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:21 pm

When moving entire stacks, one thing that I found that works with grand, greater, and sometimes common, is to place all you empty gems in a separate container, before trying to retrieve any filled gems. In other words, make sure that you only have filled gem in you inventory, then remove the filled gems that you want from the container. Once that is done, you can then retrieve any empty gems that you want.

Hmmm, I'll have to experiment with that a little more tomorrow. As I said, in my tests I was working with no blanks being present in any inventory/container throughout the process. However, I didn't test the behavior if there were already filled gems of the same type (and value) already present in the inventory/container. Again, I'll check that tomorrow ...
User avatar
K J S
 
Posts: 3326
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2007 11:50 am

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:01 am

Soul gems will lose charges if dropped. Soul gems smaller than Grand have a very small chance of losing charges if placed in containers. The rate is like 5%. This bug is still in effect as of today.

The low rate and more importantly, the fact this bug does not affect Grand Soul Gems should alleviate your fears somewhat.
User avatar
Heather M
 
Posts: 3487
Joined: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:40 am

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:41 am

Soul gems will lose charges if dropped. Soul gems smaller than Grand have a very small chance of losing charges if placed in containers. The rate is like 5%. This bug is still in effect as of today.

The low rate and more importantly, the fact this bug does not affect Grand Soul Gems should alleviate your fears somewhat.

Yeah, I did notice that the grands seemed to remain intact. However, the 5% rate for the others (especially common and lower) is widely off the mark in my experiments. In fact, in my tests, it was either 0% or 100%, the only determining factor being whether full or partial stacks were moved (individuals seemed more random, though, and might fall into a rough % range if enough tests were run).
User avatar
Rachael
 
Posts: 3412
Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 2:10 pm

Post » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:04 am



Yeah, I did notice that the grands seemed to remain intact. However, the 5% rate for the others (especially common and lower) is widely off the mark in my experiments. In fact, in my tests, it was either 0% or 100%, the only determining factor being whether full or partial stacks were moved (individuals seemed more random, though, and might fall into a rough % range if enough tests were run).

My soul gems almost never stacks so I'm moving them into a container one by one. At the end of moving roughly 20 filled gems of various sizes, one or two will appear in the container as unfilled.
User avatar
Dj Matty P
 
Posts: 3398
Joined: Sat Jun 09, 2007 12:31 am

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:48 pm

Just dont store soul gems then. Just keep track of what vendors sell filled soul gems and focus your time on getting gold instead. Just buy filled soul gems whenever you need them.
User avatar
FITTAS
 
Posts: 3381
Joined: Sat Jan 13, 2007 4:53 pm

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:25 pm

My soul gems almost never stacks so I'm moving them into a container one by one. At the end of moving roughly 20 filled gems of various sizes, one or two will appear in the container as unfilled.

Aahh ... mine mostly stack** so I'll have to see what happens (tomorrow) when I move the stack one at a time, though I'm not sure this will be the same as moving "true" individuals since stacks seem to have a mind of their own, so to speak.

** One thing I've found is that if my soul gems aren't stacking properly in my inventory, going to the weapons charge menu will fix this, at least temporarily -- eventually they'll start misbehaving again if I haven't had to recharge anything in awhile.
User avatar
LADONA
 
Posts: 3290
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2007 3:52 am

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:14 pm

Just dont store soul gems then. Just keep track of what vendors sell filled soul gems and focus your time on getting gold instead. Just buy filled soul gems whenever you need them.

Yeah, one of the things I'm struggling with is my hoarding behavior when it comes to soul gems (stems from Oblivion when I used to place them around darker areas in friendly abodes to add ambience). I don't have much of a problem filling common and lower gems given my current lvl and RP where my bow has fiery soul trap.

Most of the grand gems I have, however, have been purchased and are part of planning ahead for future gear enchants. I thought I'd be using more of them by now, but I took the Deflect Arrows perk before knowing it was bugged and I've had to put improved enchants on hold for now to prevent further OP/balance issues.
User avatar
Josh Lozier
 
Posts: 3490
Joined: Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:20 pm

Post » Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:20 pm

Yeah, one of the things I'm struggling with is my hoarding behavior when it comes to soul gems (stems from Oblivion when I used to place them around darker areas in friendly abodes to add ambience). I don't have much of a problem filling common and lower gems given my current lvl and RP where my bow has fiery soul trap.

Most of the grand gems I have, however, have been purchased and are part of planning ahead for future gear enchants. I thought I'd be using more of them by now, but I took the Deflect Arrows perk before knowing it was bugged and I've had to put improved enchants on hold for now to prevent further OP/balance issues.

The scarcity of creatures with Grand Souls in Skyrim is somewhat dissapointing.
Spoiler
Sure, you can slaughter mammoths, but for those who choose the white star due to a good alignment, slaughtering mammoths just does not feel right. This puts a disproportionate amount of pressure on selecting the Black Star for its easy and plentiful grand souls.
User avatar
Cat Haines
 
Posts: 3385
Joined: Fri Oct 27, 2006 9:27 am

Previous

Return to V - Skyrim