bowarrow assassinations? : V

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:11 am

I think this would be a cool addition to skyrim. Like you sneak behind them and stab em with an arrow or strangle em with the bow.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:21 am

Creative. But im fine with walking up to their corpse, standing them up, and firing an arrow into their chest/head.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:11 pm

LOL - someone's been watching LOTR...!

Stabbing someone with an arrow, yes - but you would use that to assassinate someone, you'd use it off-the-cuff if you got caught in melee...
As for strangling someone with a bow:
a. Exactly how would you do that?
b. Why would you do that?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:26 am

Stabbing someone with an arrow is like picking up a powerful .357 caliber bullet, and throwing it very hard at the person to kill him.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:23 am

I would prefer Beth to expand the bow bash mechanic, like you can use it as a weak melee weapon.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:22 am

That is borderline ridiculous. Stabbing with an arrow is a very poor way of killing someone. Strangling with a bow just wouldn't happen and would most likely damage the bow.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:11 am

That is borderline ridiculous. Stabbing with an arrow is a very poor way of killing someone. Strangling with a bow just wouldn't happen and would most likely damage the bow.

Exactly my point - you might stab someone with an arrow as a last resort or if you had nothing to hand at the time, but "strangling with a bow"...?

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 9:47 pm

I would prefer Beth to expand the bow bash mechanic, like you can use it as a weak melee weapon.

Spikes on the grip, anyone?

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:02 pm

An arrow is like a small spear, it would be like stabbing them with a small spear not throwing a bullet at the guy... /terribleanology

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:30 pm

An arrow is like a small spear, it would be like stabbing them with a small spear not throwing a bullet at the guy... /terribleanology

Indeed, but I still think it's an item of last resort though.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:04 pm

If Legolas did it, we should be able to do it. Why not? A nice sharp arrow stabbed in the neck should do the trick.

Regarding garroting with a bow, to really work that would require unstringing it. Less practical, I'd say. But adding garroting wire to the game would be tres cool for assassins.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:05 pm

If Legolas did it, we should be able to do it. Why not? A nice sharp arrow stabbed in the neck should do the trick.

Regarding garroting with a bow, to really work that would require unstringing it. Less practical, I'd say. But adding garroting wire to the game would be tres cool for assassins.

Yah, a garrot would be awesome - the animation would be tricky though I reckon.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:19 pm

Exactly my point - you might stab someone with an arrow as a last resort or if you had nothing to hand at the time, but "strangling with a bow"...?

It is like throwing a bullet as you said. If a 140lb longbow can only just kill someone through plate armour how is it going to work if used by hand? Arrows aren't strong anyway, they most likely snap if used by hand.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:17 pm

It is like throwing a bullet as you said. If a 140lb longbow can only just kill someone through plate armour how is it going to work if used by hand. Arrows aren't strong anyway, they most likely snap if used by hand.

Aye - you'd need to get it into bare skin otherwise if you stabbed it into armour the damage would in all likelihood be to your hand...

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:00 pm

I want to be able to stake a vampire with the bottom of my ebony war axe.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:06 am

yeah, I'd prefer to use an arrow as a quick melee defense when someone runs up on you with your bow out.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 5:13 pm

You can block with a bow, so you can sort of punch with a bow in hand. It may not be very effective as a melee weapon, but thats what long pointy sticks are for.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 4:53 pm

Those sound like last resort methods of desperation rather than assassinations.

I use a bow for DB jobs a lot, the perfect archery assassination imo is a long arcing shot to the head with a single poisoned arrow... and you're nowhere near the vicinity of the victim.

If you are right behind the target and they haven't noticed you... don't you think a swift dagger across the throat is better than attempting to strangle them with a bow?

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:40 pm

I'd like to be able to pull an arrow out of my armor or skin (cause you can be shot and punctured by them) and then killcam stab the enemy in the eye with it. or shoot it back at them with a bow haha

You can beat someone with a bow to a degree. uses up stamina.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:09 am

Always thought it'd be cool if they did something like this, that and have magic executions too.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 3:39 pm

That is borderline ridiculous. Stabbing with an arrow is a very poor way of killing someone. Strangling with a bow just wouldn't happen and would most likely damage the bow.

I agree here, the way most bows are made (I know of modern ones) would see them damaged or simply break when one applies the pressure needed to strangle someone. Arrows would snap.

Given the disagreement from me I still say good on you for coming up with a new idea for archers. There is a limit with the melee side of archery but that is due to it being archery in the end :-)

It would be pretty cool if holding the block button (power bash with shield) allows the character to make a quick slash attack with a dagger as a more damaging alternative to bow bash.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:18 am

The bow bash is there purely to provide breathing space to either switch to a melee weapon or back up and do a partial draw for a close range shot... or run away, of course.

Archery with melee is too much, it's archery.
That's the skill, shooting arrows at stuff with a bow.
Melee has two trees devoted to it already (2.5 if you count dual wield as a pseudo-separate tree to 1h).

Besisdes, imo if you're going to start getting far out with weapons features then daggers being throwable takes priority over stabbing with arrows.

Edit: Thinking this over, I wonder now if crossbows in Dawnguard might have some potential for more developed bashing.

» Thu Jun 21, 2012 6:20 pm

Um... Forgive me if this seems like a silly question, but if you're an assassin, and you have a bow and arrow... Why don't you just shoot him? An arrow fired from a bow is more powerful, you don't have to get close to the target, and escape is easier.

I don't see the advantage of forgoing ranged combat and walking up to someone and trying to poke them with an arrow when you could just shoot them and be done with it.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:08 am

Um... Forgive me if this seems like a silly question, but if you're an assassin, and you have a bow and arrow... Why don't you just shoot him? An arrow fired from a bow is more powerful, you don't have to get close to the target, and escape is easier.

I don't see the advantage of forgoing ranged combat and walking up to someone and trying to poke them with an arrow when you could just shoot them and be done with it.

This.
In the modern era it would be like being a sniper, but instead of actually sniping a target, creeping up behind them and belting them with the rifle - (or more closely, the round)...