I can't choose between the stormcloaks and imperials for my

Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:50 am

I know most orcs join the legion, but i don't really think that my orc is that loyal to the empire.
The stormcloaks would fit her rebellious behaviour more, but i am not sure if magic users (she is a shaman) would do well in the stormcloak army.

I could also just ignore the war, but it is one of my most favourite questlines. :(
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:20 am

stormcloaks hate you.
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Laurenn Doylee
 
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:40 pm

stormcloaks hate you.
Only those two drunks in windhelm really.

When i talk to Ralof and the stormcloak soldiers they are very friendly to me, even when i am orc or elf. :P
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:06 am

stormcloaks are... problematic
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Heather Stewart
 
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:23 am

No Stormcloak ever hated my orc Scylla. Nor my high elf pure mage Aradia either.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:35 pm

The Empire has always been fair to Orcs. In fact, The Empire is the only one that has actually helped
the Orcs and recognized their claim to Orsinium. The Orcs have absolutely no reason to hate the Empire
or to help the Stormcloaks.

And if we're sticking with the lore, rebellious Shamans wouldn't last long in Orc strongholds.

EDIT:
In fact, there aren't any other race that would have less reason to support Ulfric Stormcloak.
Let's review:
Argonians: Black Marsh is now independent, and a united Empire would threaten their independence.
Khajiit: Same thing as with the Argonians, apart from the fact, that Elsweyr is officially in cahoots with the
Aldmeri Dominion and the Thalmor. A weakened Empire would benefit them.
Redguards: Angry with the Empire selling them out to the Dominion with the White-Gold Concordat, they
can relate to the wish for independence.
Imperials: Alot of Imperials were born outside of Cyrodiil, and have been known to adapt to other cultures
more rapidly and thoroughly than other races. It wouldn't be that strange for an Imperial to support Ulfric.
Altmeri: Same as with the Khajiit. A weakened Empire = Better chances for taking them down.
Bosmeri: Same as with the Altmer.
Dunmeri: While the Dunmer have little reason to support Ulfric, they are more likely to, seeing as how the Empire
couldn't do anything to prevent the Argonian invasion of Morrowind.
Bretons: Same as with the Imperials - Bretons didn't play a very big part in the Great War, and has been very
incognito during the struggle for power in Tamriel. A Breton could have loads of reasons for supporting the Stormcloaks.
Nord: For obvious reasons, they form the bulk of the Stormcloaks forces.

As for the Orcs, as I've mentioned, the Empire has always supported the Orcs in their struggle for independence and recognition.
In return, the Legion has benefitted greatly from Orc blacksmiths and their ferocious warriors. A mutual and prosperous deal.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:04 pm

Imperials.... The only reason the nords in windhelm aren't exactly racist is mainly due to bethesda's....speech.. generilization... I mean I could go there as a high elf dressed in elven armor without being called names/ridiculed.



And what the guy above me said.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:49 am

The Empire has always been fair to Orcs. In fact, The Empire is the only one that has actually helped
the Orcs and recognized their claim to Orsinium. The Orcs have absolutely no reason to hate the Empire
or to help the Stormcloaks.

And if we're sticking with the lore, rebellious Shamans wouldn't last long in Orc strongholds.

Rebellious against outsiders telling them what to do, she is more than pleased to help the chief.
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:24 pm

stormcloaks hate you.

Um no.

Help Stormcloaks better chance of freedom for the Orcs. They just want to rule Skyrim not everything like the empire besides who knows they could ban the worship of Malacath next.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:04 pm

I guess she would join the empire then, but she won't be very excited about it. She would probably be the character that wants to convince the empire to fight against the thalmor.

EDIT: But if she joins the empire she would fear the banishing of more gods, like R3NEGADE mentioned.

Uggghhh....this is just so hard.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:22 am

I took my orc mercenary to the stormcloaks.
It wouldn't surprise me if they wouldn't be above hiring a bloodthirsty monster with no interest in the welfare of either faction just for the extra muscle.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:41 am

i can't remember the title of it or where to find it but i read a thread that delved pretty deep into lore and implied or hinted aspects of the game, and the storm cloaks are very bad for skyrim and tamriel as a whole. They are weakening what little is left of the empire, which will allow the Thalmor to take Skyrim more easily, no matter which way the war ends. There is still strength in the empire and the Blades especially. i wish you could unite the two forces against the thalmor.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:06 am



Um no.

Help Stormcloaks better chance of freedom for the Orcs. They just want to rule Skyrim not everything like the empire besides who knows they could ban the worship of Malacath next.

:facepalm:
No, Nords in general have a bitter resentment for ALL elven kind. And since when were the Orcs ever enslaved? Besides, nords are pro religion and worship. Ulfric would look like a complete hypocrite by allowing talos worship and then banishing the worship of yet another god-like being.

Not mention that when or if the nords seize control of skyrim their likely to drive out the very next imposing elven influence... Orcish strongholds...
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:08 am

I haven't really played on the imperial side, maybe it would be nice...just for a change
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:30 pm

Sounds like you've already made up your mind to go with Stormcloaks. All things considered, I'd say Imperials suit the character best, but whatever floats your boat.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:02 am

Sounds like you've already made up your mind to go with Stormcloaks. All things considered, I'd say Imperials suit the character best, but whatever floats your boat.

I thought so to, but i think that her story will have more life when joining the empire.
She is rebellious, but she joins the empire out of fear that her tribes will be threatened if the Thalmor attack. So she joins the empire, after the victory she does want to convince the empire to fight back.

This would be the story if i join the stormcloaks:
She fights the empire and then go for the Thalmor.
That is all i can make up for the stormcloaks.

So i guess it would be best to join with the empire, for roleplaying reasons.
Does anybody agree with me here?
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:12 am

I would agree, besides I expect a war on the horizon against the thalmor regardless. Siding with the empire just adds credence to your RP idea of trying to encourage the empire to take action against the thalmor sooner.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:08 pm

Um no.

Help Stormcloaks better chance of freedom for the Orcs. They just want to rule Skyrim not everything like the empire besides who knows they could ban the worship of Malacath next.

The dominion would never ban worship of Malacath. The reason for the dominion to ban worship of Talos is the fact that they see him as a false god while they know that Malacath exist (he was once Trinimac who is an Aldmeri hero)
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:45 pm

I thought so to, but i think that her story will have more life when joining the empire.
She is rebellious, but she joins the empire out of fear that her tribes will be threatened if the Thalmor attack. So she joins the empire, after the victory she does want to convince the empire to fight back.

This would be the story if i join the stormcloaks:
She fights the empire and then go for the Thalmor.
That is all i can make up for the stormcloaks.

So i guess it would be best to join with the empire, for roleplaying reasons.
Does anybody agree with me here?


You do realize by supporting the Empire that the Thalmor could go and kidnap your tribe as the Empire would let them lest another war break out whereas the Thalmor will have a very hard time getting the tribe in an independent Skyrim that hates them. You could also have the Dragonborn serve as an ambassador for the Stormcloaks for various nations and assisting in undermining Thalmor influence as the Empire most likely won't listen to you even if you are Dragonborn.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:03 am

You do realize by supporting the Empire that the Thalmor could go and kidnap your tribe as the Empire would let them lest another war break out whereas the Thalmor will have a very hard time getting the tribe in an independent Skyrim that hates them. You could also have the Dragonborn serve as an ambassador for the Stormcloaks for various nations and assisting in undermining Thalmor influence as the Empire most likely won't listen to you even if you are Dragonborn.

Not a concern for the orcs. They don't worship Talos, and as mer, don't have to have worry about the Thalmor's pogrom against men.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:31 am

Orcs and Nords have a bad history, as I recall from lore.

So lore-wise, it seems that an Orc would side with the Imperials.

But exceptions can always be made.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:21 am

You do realize by supporting the Empire that the Thalmor could go and kidnap your tribe as the Empire would let them lest another war break out whereas the Thalmor will have a very hard time getting the tribe in an independent Skyrim that hates them. You could also have the Dragonborn serve as an ambassador for the Stormcloaks for various nations and assisting in undermining Thalmor influence as the Empire most likely won't listen to you even if you are Dragonborn.

The Thalmor have no reason to break in their tribe, since orcs usualy worship Malacath and not Talos.
I usualy prefer the stormcloaks, but i think that joining the empire would be the best for the roleplay of this character.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:00 am

i can't remember the title of it or where to find it but i read a thread that delved pretty deep into lore and implied or hinted aspects of the game, and the storm cloaks are very bad for skyrim and tamriel as a whole.
Matter of opinion and speculation. I've also seen intelligent, well thought out arguments for the exact opposite position.
They are weakening what little is left of the empire, which will allow the Thalmor to take Skyrim more easily, no matter which way the war ends. There is still strength in the empire and the Blades especially.
Emphasis mine... and it is to laugh. The Blades? Really? As far as I can tell, The Blades officially consist of two people holed up in an ancient temple that they won't come out of because the same bad people I kill every other day might find them and hurt them. Oh, and up to three new recruits provided that I actually do the work of recruiting for them. Oh, wait, they also kill dragons... except no they don't, they offer to send their recruits out to help me kill dragons, which by that time I don't need any help with anyway. Oh wait, they serve and protect the Dragonborn... except no they don't, unless the Dragonborn wants to continue being their errand boy/girl for jobs they can't or won't do themselves.
i wish you could unite the two forces against the thalmor.
I had a thought today, you know how even after you finish the CW all the enemy camp commanders are still essential and you can't kill them? People hated that, there are mods to make them killable (I use one myself)... but what if that wasn't an oversight but something intentional? What if all those named commanders are supposed to still be alive and in Skyrim because of something that's coming in an expansion, where no matter who "won" if you played the war, both sides still had a military presence in Skyrim which would be needed for the next part of the story? It could be either a continuation of the war in some fashion, or something leading to a "conclusion" that would work in the long run when it comes to establishing the canon lore, like maybe something so massive happens that they join sides to fight off a bigger threat and when it's all over the CW that preceded it becomes barely a footnote in the history of the era. I dunno. It was just an idle thought.
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Post » Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:14 pm

The Thalmor have no reason to break in their tribe, since orcs usualy worship Malacath and not Talos.
I usualy prefer the stormcloaks, but i think that joining the empire would be the best for the roleplay of this character.


Spoiler
In a quest in Whiterun, you discover that a grey-mane was captured by the Thalmor who claimed he was a Thalmor worshipper. When you rescue him, you find out that he wasn't captured for Talos worship, merely blackmail


If the Thalmor can do that, they can claim that the tribe has some secret Talos worshippers as that mission shows you don't have to worship Talos to be kidnapped, merely have your capture benefit the Thalmor in a way. Since you're Dragonborn, the Thalmor see you as a threat as a threat so what makes you think they won't target your tribe and "claim" there are some Talos worshipers among them and thus use them as blackmail. Do you think the Empire will fight against those accusations lest the Thalmor declare another war?
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Post » Thu Jun 21, 2012 11:35 pm

:facepalm:
No, Nords in general have a bitter resentment for ALL elven kind. And since when were the Orcs ever enslaved? Besides, nords are pro religion and worship. Ulfric would look like a complete hypocrite by allowing talos worship and then banishing the worship of yet another god-like being.

Not mention that when or if the nords seize control of skyrim their likely to drive out the very next imposing elven influence... Orcish strongholds...

No I meant the empire banning Malacath. The Nords don't hate elves they hate Thalmor and are pissed at Dunmer for not helping them after they gave them a place to live.
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