as it has already been pointed out, destruction perks directly affects a vampire's power.
that said, i was wandering:
could it be destruction is less powerfull than other magic schools to prevent vampire characters to be too overpowered?

No flaming, it's just a question, but how is destruction weaker than the other magic schools?

There is no logic in nerfing an entire school because of a single ability.

Now after having finally played a destruction mage I can say that it is not weak. Dual casting thunderbolts on master difficulty lets me DESTROY ancient dragons like nothing. With a destruction potion with over 100% that more than DOUBLES my damage they go down in SECONDS om master. Now the master level spells...they kinda svck. Lightning storm can be far outdamaged with thunderbolt, not to meantion TB is much cheaper.

Forgot to mention with Disentigration I might as well be doing 25% more damage.

actually I don't find it particularly weaker than others, but I've been reading a lot of posts pointing out that in fact it is, as a matter of damage you can deliver, with damage calculations and stuff, look for one of those on the search menu.

here's an example: http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1345463-destruction-poll/page__st__30__p__20299602__hl__destruction__fromsearch__1#entry20299602

That would be a pretty bizarre design choice, when the obvious thing to do, if it were an issue, would be to make the perks affect vampires less.

that way vampires would become useless tho, they are good and worth the trouble only with destruction perks

Again, odd design. A destruction mage becomes a powerful vampire, a necromancer, illusionist, assassin or mighty warrior doesn't?

Impact actually makes Mages overpowered imo, should be a 50% chance not 100%. Way too easy to kill everything once you land a shot.

This argument is really faulty given that the games implementation was hardly concerned with "balance" i.e. Stealth and daggers, the enchanting loop, and smithing.

So no, it isnt possible destructions implementation specifics are limited because of the possibility of a powerful combination.

Also vampires arent dependent on destruction, it is necromage that pushes vampire character power through the roof.

LOL, you are right, necromage is in restoration.
I guess a need to rest.

I think necromage is more like a bug, as it is clearly a design fault.

Pretty much this^ the forums got littered with destruction is weak threads but when you combine it with alchemy and enchanting its very powerful, I think it takes 6 dual casts of thunderbolt to kill an ancient dragon when you use a fortify destruction potion.

I commonly play an Orc tank weilding 2 -handed weapons. But am playing a Battle Mage, and I am starting to see why Mages were so easy to kill. The Magic is very weak, even against other Mages. I find I am becoming more dependant on daggers and swords after fireing an ineffective volley of destruction magic. I hit em with magic, make em mad, and then cut em down when they come after me ! But I think I am gonna get rid of these Arch mages robes, and go back to light armor, and just enchant it with - % off of destruction magic. And crank up single handed weapons. Cause I am not a drinker, and am tired of dieing !!!

Destruction is weaker because Beth was lazy with the skill and didn't factor in the high level enemies with a lot more HP's where you would have to spam destuction spells in order to kill the enemy and even that would take a while.

If you create a free or low cost enchant suit than Destruction probably is not much weaker than other schools. Without an enchant suit, however, Destruction is weaker than other schools because of the magicka inefficiency of the higher level spells. I can cast my Master conjuration spell (out of battle) and get two permanent thralls that follow me around and fight. Unlike other schools, Destruction needs to be cast repeatedly during combat. Without a free cast enchant suit or spamming a lot of potions, a Destruction mage is limited to using low level spells and relying on impact stagger, which feels like a "cheat." Spamming potions also feels like a "cheat." Making a free cast Destruction suit feels like a "cheat." So a lot of us feel like we cannot play a Destruction mage without feeling like a "cheat." Hence the argument that it is underpowered as compared to other schools where you can be a powerful mage without enchanting or alchemy.

I dont. It says what it does and seems to function exactly as intended- i just dont think many people were putting 2 and 2 together, or just thinking offensively/offensive spells ramificatioms. Spells more effective against undead? Self cast spells are now more effective on your undead self.

Bug no, exploit no. Powerful yes? Haters?-apparently. Will it be patched? - no.

Other than heal what does this apply to; Flesh spells?

It is the one and only bug I hope they don't fix.

I hope you are right, because it does do "exactly" as it says and I am rather looking forwrd to taking that perk when I eventually get a vampire character. Shadow Warrior is another story. I hope they fix it so you cannot just get a quick skeak attack bonus just by tapping sneak. That is no where in the description.

EDIT: @UEG Donkey. The perk says it applies to "all" spells and from what I have read on another thread, it applies to all spells and spell effects (including enchanted effects), so it is basically a 25% boost to everything, including the negatives of being a vampire, which are counted as spell effects so you get 25% more negative effects as well.

EDIT: Cannot seem to find that thread on this issue, but it was active a week or so ago. It had a lot of useful info on the affects of necromage when playing as a vampire.

The reason why I'm asking is that I'm trying to RP a S4 vamp and IMO healing spells would actually kill me so I use potions instead and I haven't touched restoration but I might if it affected alteration.

Only problem I have with Destruction is it's Dual Cast perk.
It does 220% damage, but costs 280% MP.
Not a fair deal, I say!
I think it should do 250% damage and cost 250% MP and it will be fine.

Yes, it will increase the duration of your flesh spells 50% and increase magnitude by 25%.
Also for potions- it will increase duration and magnitude-
Also for any enchantments, 25% more effective. i.e. necklace of peerless wielding is 40% - for a vampire it is 50%.
This spills over into many other areas- you can smith better, you can do the "loop" better.

There are also a bunch of tricks to circumvent any weaknesses. Being a vampire is great.
In conclusion: you doing a vampire- you should touch restoration, if just to pick up necromage- and while you are there pick up the regeneration perks- that will refill your day-stunted magica.

What is necromage?

If you are a vampire and you do illusion (you might as well considering the free 25% boost) just start using invisibility w/ silent casting and save yourself the shadow-warrior perk. Shadow warrior is the poor mans invisibility.