[saharen beauty]

@CCNA, The discussion wasn't if mods were coming to consoles, it was if console players are left out of the full experience of TES and should move onto PC.

First Topic - http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1343136-is-console-gaming-this-left-out/

I'm a proud 360 owner, and I love Skyrim, but I'm feeling the need to sell this Xbox and buy myself a decent PC, if possible.

There's almost endless possibilities to what modders can do with Skyrim, let alone any TES game, and I feel like I'm left out in the cold right now. I go on TES Nexus from time to time just to see what somebody has come up with today, and I can't believe in a matter of months how much content is there. So I ask the question, is it worth it? Am I really getting the full experience I can get with Skyrim, and maybe even future TES games on a console?

Continue!

[Victoria Bartel]

And, we don't need another one of these threads. Until Sony or Microsoft allow this, Mods are not coming to the consoles.

Just buy a PC.

[Johanna Van Drunick]

It is my opinion that, if you are able, you should get the PC version of any game that is moddable. Especially TES.

[BrEezy Baby]

Kneel and repent, console players! The reason for the PC Master Race is here! Behold! The Creation Kit!
Lol

[Darlene Delk]

Mods and editors have been part of the PC for a very long time. Consoles are limited by their design so I'm not sure why people are having an issue with PC users getting the Creation Kit.

[Emzy Baby!]

Just buy a PC.

I wish I could.

It is my opinion that, if you are able, you should get the PC version of any game that is moddable. Especially TES.

That's what I am thinking about what I want to do, although I am having troubles finding a nice price for a gaming PC. I'm seeing a lot over $1,000.

[jodie]

If you don't have the scratch for a gaming PC, then now you get the advantage that consoles have. Not really sure what else there is to discuss.

[Quick draw II]

Mods and editors have been part of the PC for a very long time. Consoles are limited by their design so I'm not sure why people are having an issue with PC users getting the Creation Kit.

Don't have an issue with it. Any consoler that wants it doesn't understand why it can't work.

Some of us have vain hopes that they could proof and certify a few of the most popular mods but it's highly unlikely they'd do it (Valve did with Portal2 tho... again, only a small sample of some of the most popular at time of consolidation)

Thread is more about "How much are we missing"

The answer is, unfortunately, an awful lot.

RPG's and puzzle games are always better on PC because of the community.

FPS is more up to preference of control mechanism.

[Farrah Lee]

Consoles are limited by hardware and modding features. If you've got the money buy a good PC and play Skyrim on pc, if not, just play it on the console.
As simple as that.

[Karen anwyn Green]

@CCNA, The discussion wasn't if mods were coming to consoles, it was if console players are left out of the full experience of TES and should move onto PC.

If this thread turns into a platform war, like the last thread ended up being and this one is already starting out as, it will be closed.

[Far'ed K.G.h.m]

I feel that TES is and always has been a primarily PC franchise. It started out just PC, and several games were always only for PC I think. It was Morrowind that started doing the cross-platform stuff (iirc). And with its "moddability" and such, TES is still primarily a PC experience. In my view, including consoles was more of a side thing to make more money. Along the same lines, there are good franchises that were only or primarily console-based, such as games like the Uncharted series.

Only reason I can see playing Skyrim on consoles is if you're a dedicated console user and have all/vast majority of your games on console(s). Is it worth it to buy a gaming PC just for Skyrim? I'm not convinced it is. Like, with me, the Uncharted games look awesome, but I'm a dedicated PC user with all of my games on here, and I'm not going to go buy a console just for Uncharted games...

[Kate Schofield]

Don't have an issue with it. Any consoler that wants it doesn't understand why it can't work.

Some of us have vain hopes that they could proof and certify a few of the most popular mods but it's highly unlikely they'd do it (Valve did with Portal2 tho... again, only a small sample of some of the most popular at time of consolidation)

Thread is more about "How much are we missing"

The answer is, unfortunately, an awful lot.

RPG's and puzzle games are always better on PC because of the community.

FPS is more up to preference of control mechanism.

It's out of Bethesda's hands anyway to a degree, Microsoft and Sony are the overseers of their platform, you buy a console, you have to live with it.

[yessenia hermosillo]

If this thread turns into a platform war, like the last thread ended up being and this one is already starting out as, it will be closed.

O.o

I'm not seeing any platform war here.

The PCers might be a bit smug over their added functionality, but they are just saying that Skyrim is better on pc because of mods... which is what the discussion is about.

As a console player, I'm not seeing the hate.... just ppl stating how mods add incalculable value

[cheryl wright]

No platform war. I used to be a PC gamer. I'd play on a PC ... if I could afford it. Unfortunately a good PC that is still going to be able to run a game two years from now isn't going to be cheap. I went to console because the cost of a PC with the capability to play Oblivion was outrageous at the time, at least one that would keep up down the road. Remember when dual core processors were $1200 just for the processor?

this said I'm hearing new consoles are coming out in the next two years and will cost double what the current 360s cost, and I'll just have to wait until the prices on those drop and the bugs get worked out.

[His Bella]

O.o

I'm not seeing any platform war here.

The PCers might be a bit smug over their added functionality, but they are just saying that Skyrim is better on pc because of mods... which is what the discussion is about.

As a console player, I'm not seeing the hate.... just ppl stating how mods add incalculable value

Same.

I'm feeling extremely jealous of PC players right now, especially because of Skyrim Online... *sigh*

Goes to dell.com

[Emily Martell]

It's out of Bethesda's hands anyway to a degree, Microsoft and Sony are the overseers of their platform, you buy a console, you have to live with it.

I understand that... that was what I was saying when I said CK can't work on console and anyone asking for CK or even for open access to mod libraries doesn't understand this part of the console digital distribution.

However Beth COULD (prolly won't) take a few mods, check em over to make sure they'll pass certification (and if simple/obvious enough to fix it, otherwise find a diff mod) bundle em up into a "Community choice mod pack" and give it away as free DLC (This would of course come AFTER releasing their first paid DLC, preferably before the 2nd)

It's HIGHLY unlikely, but that IS a possibility and the ONLY possibility as far as getting any mods on console

[Georgia Fullalove]

I wish I could.

That's what I am thinking about what I want to do, although I am having troubles finding a nice price for a gaming PC. I'm seeing a lot over $1,000.

Don't buy some pre build garbage that comes at a premium, building your own PC isn't really that difficult and there are tons of forums out there with people who will give you proper advice on how.
You can make something with better specs for the same price or the same specs at a lower price.


Self build, become a true PC Jedi you will.

[Emma louise Wendelk]

Don't buy some pre build garbage that comes at a premium, building your own PC isn't really that difficult and there are tons of forums out there with people who will give you proper advice on how.
You can make something with better specs for the same price or the same specs at a lower price.


Self build, become a true PC Jedi you will.

If I do I will definatly need some support, I'll try it out.

[Kat Ives]

Well what do you expect from a box that is a dedicated gaming machine? it's like buying a toaster and then wanting it to make coffee. PC's can game but spec for spec a console beats a PC because of it's nature.

[Lynne Hinton]

Same.

I'm feeling extremely jealous of PC players right now, especially because of Skyrim Online... *sigh*

Goes to dell.com

Don't go to dell... go to newegg.com and build your own.

Start with a barebones system (Motherboard and CPU pre-installed into case w/ or w/o a power supply, which is easy anyways) that's the hardest part (even that is pretty easy) then all you need is compatible RAM (listed on barebones specs) compatible Vid card (make sure the barebones has a slot for it, preferably 2 so you can double up down the road), hard drive and optical drive and you're done.

save yourself 20% easy.

[Nuno Castro]

I feel that TES is and always has been a primarily PC franchise. It started out just PC, and several games were always only for PC I think..

Yup, the first 2 was on pc and the next 3 on both pc and Xbox.

Bethesda has been trying to get both ms and Sony to open up their markets for mods. To this day they still refuse. What they don't realise is that (in my opinion) it could generate money as most of us(?) would pay a small sum for some of the mods.

[Jack]

Don't buy some pre build garbage that comes at a premium, building your own PC isn't really that difficult and there are tons of forums out there with people who will give you proper advice on how.
You can make something with better specs for the same price or the same specs at a lower price.


Self build, become a true PC Jedi you will.

Well, I still think that`s a hard sell. know when I thought about 1st building a PC it was one of the scariest things to do...So I thought.

You`re right, it isn`t that hard, but you need to do your research. I remember on my first build I bought the wrong motherboard for the CPU and that was after I thought i`d checked. Took a while sorting that out (returns and all that).

If they can find a PC-savvy friend to help it would surely take 50% of the stress away. But it is a damn sight cheaper.

Heck, I`ve seen motherboard+CPU and Ram combos now in some shops\online which makes it a lot easier.

[saxon]

Well what do you expect from a box that is a dedicated gaming machine? it's like buying a toaster and then wanting it to make coffee. PC's can game but spec for spec a console beats a PC because of it's nature.

This is one of those highly underplayed advantages of console.

Consoles, all being EXACTLY the same and all being dedicated for nothing but gaming are FAR more efficient gHz for gHz than PC's. What I mean is that devs can REALLY maximize the consoles capabilities, while PC's infinite variables makes that a tad harder. The overlaying OS is FAR more demanding. Looks at the games we have on XBOX and find me a game that looks ANYWHERE CLOSE to as good on PC that has the xbox specs as it's Max settings specs.

What you'll find are games that look like first year xbox release titles.

That said... PC's have so much more power avail to them it's ludicrous.

[BaNK.RoLL]

Yup, the first 2 was on pc and the next 3 on both pc and Xbox.

Bethesda has been trying to get both ms and Sony to open up their markets for mods. To this day they still refuse. What they don't realise is that (in my opinion) it could generate money as most of us(?) would pay a small sum for some of the mods.

It's a security thing... Modders could design rather.... malicious... mods that could wreck havoc on the multitudes of unsuspecting console gamers who expect everything to just work....

They can (and have) done the same to PC gamers... but PC gamers tend to have a bit more knowhow (on avg) as well as already accepting responsibility for their machine (consoles are plug and play, no hassle, EVER, systems)

[Ludivine Dupuy]

OP, can you live your gaming life without mods for Skyrim?

Answer that question and you will have the answer to whether or not you should move to PC.

I predict this thread will end in virtual blood-shed on account of platform warring.