What do you think.. Oblivion counts vs Jarls of skyrim who holds more power who has more respect and what one is better?

Tullius says that Jarls are kings. Who knows?

ugh...one of these...

Sigh...The Counts of Cyrodill ran counties...The Counts are on par with Governors and Mayors, but no electoral process, and the Counts answered to the Empire.
Jarls are like Kings and Queens, they rule Holds, and answer to the High King, or hold council with other Jarls in lieu of there not being a High King.

Jarls. Counts are of a similar station to that of Skyrim's Jarls, but where the Jarls are largely independent, the authority of the counts are limited as much of that stuff is handled by the Elder Council.

counts

Obviously Jarls because of the above.

why have i been quoted in ? i voted counts not jarls

counts are , for one thing , considerably more respected than jarls who are aggressive and hated , for another thing they are much richer , the jarls of skyrims can wave their wooden sticks and live in their mud huts but the counts of cyrodill live in massive stone castles complete with a left and right wing , servants , guards , entertainers...they also dress in the upmost luxury

rich and respectable goes for a nice mix
poor and rageful does not

i accept some of you might be illusioned to belive the "kings" hold more power , but this is a lie , the jarls do what they are told , they are ruled over by the high queen/king who *gasp* are dictated to by the emperor , the jarls are kept in check , and if they are naughty the empire comes down heard ( observe ulfric stormcloak)

most counts - being rich and respected - have strong links and communications with the elder council , and some are members ( and are at least representatives which means they are able to have more direct countrol in their county

if you play oblivion you will understand what i mean , the jarls - with the exception of prehaps the ones in markarth , solitude and whiterun - will look an absolute joke , squabbling over what pathetic wealth they have , stinking in their little wooden longhouses that are as big as a imperial beggars home

dean , write rather than just quote , it does not send very clear message...

You were quoted in to show that you were wrong because of the second quote.

I understood it.

Personality wise I can remember liking more of Oblivion's counts and countesses than Skyrim's Jarls. I only like or respect a few Jarls.

What's not clear about it? Jarls have more authority in the matter of governing their respective region than Cyrodillac counts do. Thats not a lie. It's not an illusion. Its based on lore.

Some jarls are just pure peasant local chieftains ... Some other more lucky own a better city and a castle... By following the norse organizations , jarls are pure chieftains equal to a local king in terms of local power , but nothing more than a boss on grandscale sight... So most probably and earl is the most right comparison even couse the same earl name comes from the ancient norse Jarl....

Tough higher than a jarl there is the Konungr or king...

dont call somebody wrong , this is a debate , not just a jarl - love thread.

the counts hold much more power than the jarls , the jarls are just puppet authorial figures to run day-to-day business and keep the population calm , but they do what the empire tells them to , they could not for example just declare complete independence or break away from the empire , the jarls are sub- leaders of one Provence , skyrim is an imperial Provence and is controlled by the imperial empire , the empire hands out a handful of people to control the sub- regions of skyrim , at the end of the day however the emperor is the leader and the jarls are just figures to keep skyrims population in place .

i resent anybody telling sombody else " your wrong" , its a debate

did you play oblivion ? if we are in agreement that jarls and counts have the same power than the overall winner comes down to to one thing : money

all of the counts of cyrodill live in huge stone castles complete with library , dining room , private bedroom , servant quaters , count mage bedroom , steward bedroom , barrcks , secret chamber.....

only four of the counts of skyrim live beyond "long houses" , jarl elsifif is the only real competitor to the counts wealth and prestige , and riftens castle is tiny

the counts are richer and more respected

As awesome as the word count sounds, I'd have to go with Jarls. They have more power, so they are above counts. That said, Oblivion had a count that was a vampire...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJxKvwMIVtA

You are telling us that you resent people telling others that they are wrong and yet you are doing this yourself in the same breath.

no , i was stateing the fact that 9 / 10 jarls were poorer than counts , if you saw the wealth they had in oblivion... you would agree

the jarls live in wooden longhouses that have , at best 5/6 rooms and about 8 staff working inside and around the longhouse
the counts live in stone castles that have at least 20 rooms and about 40 guards + mage , steward , personal bodyguard

you cant say that the jarl of falkreath was richer than count hassldor of skingrad . its not true.

As said above, Jarls have more authority over their Holds.

Elisif

What makes you think the Jarls are hated? They aren't hated any more than the Counts are hated. They all have their pros and cons. The common people under their rule will always have something to say about them, but the Jarls are not hated. Jarls rule their people, Counts are overseers for the Emperor.

Rich? That makes them better? I think Jarls and Counts, and obviously you, measure 'rich' differently.

The Jarls have the right to dispute the High King, as evidenced by the current situation. They make the High King.

Yes, I played Oblivion, I saw their people, their rulers. Give me Skyrim and the Jarls.

Lastly, if the Jarls only answer to the Empire, why are they fighting it? Because they believe the Empire is wrong, they should rules themselves, and won't be handed to the Thalmor by the Empire.

well , im not going to post more in this thread , i think its fine to have your own opinions and i have mine ...just one thing though , i think its hard not to be bias if you have only played skyrim and not oblivion , but you wont of actually seen the counts or anything , i have played oblivion to the n'th degree but i still admit that some jarls ( like perhaps jarl elsif) hold at least as much wealth and authority than the counts - you also have to remember oblivion was a lot bigger than skyrim in terms of population , solitude is pretty tiny compared to oblivions towns , a count would probably be ruling over around 80 - 150 people in his towns ( not including the numerous farms and villages) whilst in skyrim the mark is more like 30 - 75 ( again not including villages)

i respect the comments about jarls though , it is to a degree pretty true , if im brutally honest i dont think neither jarls or counts hold much real power

in oblivion you had to do a quest where you went to each independent county to request men , i think at that stage you feel they are all very much independent

but at the end of the day i will still say , based purpley on overall performance and assets that counts get my vote

I've played Morrowind, Oblivion, AND Skyrim, thank you very much.

I would be willing to bet that 99% here have played as many hours, if not more, of Oblivion as you. I know I have played 1000+ hours. So don't tell me I don't know how things are in that game world, I most certainly do.

And Count Janus Hassildor is a vampire.

Counts are more like figureheads than jarls.

The high king is elected by the rest of the jarls. I bet its in the high kings best interest to be on the jarls goodside. To have this kind of mutual relationship, the jarls can do pretty much what ever they want. The empires control over skyrim goes through the high king, thus making the jarls more or less independent from the empire.

Counts are directly connected to the empire and the emperor. They are probably wealthier than the jarls, but thats self explanatory since they live in the "capital" province.

(my theory)