I am really somewhat not getting a good post-apocalyptic feel from New Vegas? The desert seemed to be in most of the way (yes I know las Vegas is in the Mojave desert) As Iook back at Fallout 1-3, I did get a huge feel to it. Due to that it was in huge destroyed city and not loaded with the desert. What I am trying say is that the desert sorta strays the apocalyptic feel. Knowing that it already looks the way it does even out of the standards. And with the substantial plant life and the way new vegas is, really strays it away and makes it feel like a rampage just happened. I was kinda hoping it just take place in New vegas. Haveing some parts of vegas lit up but also destroyed (as concluded in some of the concept-art). Or maybe I'm crazy and need to look at the game one more time and relize, The mojave is the productive part of the waste that bring out substansials in which they need to live all around the ruins of America, or I dunno maybe I might be alittle true.

I agree. Out in the desert I get a mountain man/hillbilly kind of vibe, and the areas surrounding the strip I get a ghetto kind of vibe. Not a bad thing if you ask me. After playing Fallout 3 for a year, and a half its a nice change.

I can't stand it thought, I'd rather have a Fallout:Myrtle Beach (I'm that insane, but it does sound bad, well kind of...anyway-) . Well, guess I am more of the big city apocalyptic guy I guess

Well that is your opinion and you can't really say your opinion is right, can you? I feel that it has a definite immersive factor and gives a feel for the remnants of society that is suffice to say that it is post apocalyptic, for me of course.

It's different than the destroyed urban wasteland in much of FO3, but I think that it's neither better nor worse - it's just a different location setting and I like both.

Then you would know that it is now 200 years after the bombs actually fell, and in that 200 years mankind has had the time and opportunity to do some cleaning up and get things somewhat civilized again. Somewhat. New Vegas reflects this.

I don't know, are you? What are you asking us for?



Uh...which of 1-3 are we talking about here? Fallout took place all over a massive desert, 3 took place mostly in a bombed-out city that was nowhere near a natural desert to begin with. :confused:



Like the way it did in Fallout? :confused:



Er...wouldn't someplace where an atomic rampage just happened feel about as post-apocalyptic as it can get?



Some parts lit up like the Strip, and others destroyed like Freeside, Westside, North Vegas Square, and South Vegas Ruins?

I give up, I'm hopelessly lost here. :confused:

It's supposed to be like a post-apocalyptic new frontier. Think of it as manifest destiny but with the direction being pushed toward reversed. FO3 was the wild east(instead of west), FO:NV is on the precipice between the settled land and the wild east. The tribals(and by extension, somewhat, Caesar's Legion) are supposed to be like native Americans... I don't want to spoil it, but one possible outcome for the great khans really pushes this point across in a not-so-subtle way.

Really? I felt that flat desert area, places like Goodspring and "Khan territory" were lacking.

Of course, because a city with hundreds of people living in it would be totally destroyed. - sarcastic.

A city with hundreds of people living in it wouldn't be damaged, mainly because people would fix it. The Mojave Wasteland didn't get hit as hard as D.C. did, therefore the lack of devastation and depression wouldn't be as great, but instead, you'll get the feeling of colonization and rebuilding of humanity.

That poll doesn't give a polite way to disagree.

I'll mention three things that come to mind...

• Plants and fungus recover quick (there is even said to be black fungus on the reactor walls at Chernobyl).
  
• Does the Mojave in FO:NV look that different from the desert areas in Fallout 2? (if so... why exactly?)
  
• New Vegas was not directly hit, and they have access to cheap power and robotic labor.... Why would they choose to live in squalor when they could rebuild. The Amish communities [for example] have been known to build a brand new barn in a day; New Vegas has been around for years.

Considering the Vegas suffered more from degradation of society, which is also a 'Post-Apocalyptic' scenario by definition, than atomic bombs. I'd expect to be desert and not a ruptured mountian range like DC.

There's more than just fungus there. I don't remember if it was on this forum, but I remember reading a discussion about that where someone posted a picture. It's like a [censored] jungle in some places lol, totally overgrown.

Oh and the poll doesn't really give a way to fully agree either. We've got the option of "Somewhat true" or "I see what you mean but I don't". Meh, at least in this case the OP just did it as a joke. It's worse when people create serious polls completely unaware of the fact that they are seriously biased.



As for me, I agree with you completely Displayed. Although it doesn't bother me. I actually prefer the desert to the DC wasteland. Probably because there's a bit more colour in it, its not all just dull shades of green like Fallout 3 was.

The only location 'overgrown' to my knowledge, is the 'jungle vault' aka Vault 22.

Your on the edge of NCR territory so things are going to feel a little more civilized as they prepare the region to be annexed, not to mention House and Caesar's Legion are trying to get the place civilized. Get away from those big powers and you'll start seeing tribes again.

Not true, a city would not last long in a disaster that hit the Fallout world. There would be mass riots, food shortages, the emergence of gangs. People have to have a reason to build or rebuild. New Vegas in FO:NV does not provide that. It is steeped in drugs, alcohol, and gambling. All of which does not lead to a rebuilding of a city. FO:NV is just rot. This is seen any time you go into areas were this problems are now in our world. The NCR citizens might be the catalyst for change for FO:NV. People have to want change, like in FO3, even if it took the Lone Wander to be the kick start.

Second Goodsprings and communities like them are towns that have show signs of change, though maybe a little stuck in there ways.

Lastly this game does show the post apocalyptic world in the sense that in order to have any society in you have to have the basic needs met. Second it has the gangs that are trying to control it's inhabitants. Lastly it is showing the ugly side of that very world. On top of that you have the mutants from ???.

Psst...the "overgrown" comment appeared to be about Chernobyl, which is nowhere near Nevada either real or New Vegas. :whisper:

Whoops. I read that as 'Screen shots of New vegas' :blush2: .

When I think of post-apocalyptic movies, the road warrior comes to mind, which is set in a desert. So to me a desert wasteland works just as well as a ruined city.

For me... Planet of the Apes comes to mind, and Heston's Omega Man.
Also (of course) the Mad Max trilogy.

Fallout 1 and 2 had lots of living plants and sand all around. :mellow:
If anything Fallout 3 strayed from the formula.

Oh and post-apocalypse.
It doesn't have to have destroyed buildings and streets every 100 meters.
It's all about the setting and story and how they take place.
Caesars Legion for example, could only have been created if the world was lawless and tribal.

For the greatest part (like %99) I agree with you. One small issue though. Vegas wasn't hit at all by the 2 hour war. Neither were the areas surrounding it. Mr. House entered into his "sarcophagus" just before the outbreak of the 2 hour war. My guess is that he was tipped off about it from business dealings within the US government/enclave and overseas. It is heavily inferred that he did so to hack the satellite system that was in orbit above Nevada at the time. When he did this he redirected 77 incoming ICBMs away from what would eventually become the Mojave Wasteland. All of the damage seen is incidental to over two centuries of our inferior construction technique's exposure to the elements. Some of it was also from other violent happenings.

You are %100 correct about the rebuilding though. My main complaint about the Capital Wasteland was that there had been no effort to actually clean anything up. If I had been a member of "the Family" I would have spent my free time hauling chunks of debris out of the metro tunnels. I would start with my own living area and expand outwards. Why not? What else have I got to do? I don't think another video game is due out for "a bit" so I might as well make my area more habitable. At least in NV the residents of the west coast have been inspired to pull themselves out of the dust (entirely by the misadventures of a couple of tiresome, meddling kids a few years back...hehehe) and try to soldier on. True mostly they just moved the junk and concrete to one side but in DC they didn't even do that! Well ok Megaton did but no one else...not even Rivet City! That place was FULL of old crap that could have been recycled/re-purposed or otherwise discarded in a tidy and out of the way manner.

I always thought it was such a pity they did so little with radiation. Dying from radation has never happened to me nor was it a threat. With the exception of a certain vault I entered while I only had a few radaways.

I know the fallout would have decayed ALOT, but it still just like . I guess I should play stalker if I wanted real radiation danger.

I like the setting in NV better then 3. fallout 3's land scape seemed to get boring after a while after you see on pile of ruble you'v seen them all. I know NV not much but at the same time it all looks different crazy i know. So it makes me wont to explore more the 3. I just wont to keep going no matter if iv been there before. i like the POST apocalyptic seting better. not every where looked the same after the bombs fell and NV was not that affected beside the norm after some where when every one just gets up and leaves.

Bottom line i like the POST apocalyptic setting better the 3.

Your not crazy humanity is starting to rebuild itself is all. Post Apoccalyptic means after the apoccalypse, therefore it is any time after it.