CTDs & Freezing...Trying To Make Sense Of It! : V

» Sun May 27, 2012 6:03 pm

Well basically it's the topic title, I'm trying to understand what is causing the game to just freeze up because it's happened over my last play through's and yet I'm still having it happen so obviously I haven't routed out what it is and if I don't it will just happen over and over again. This is my 4th restart/play through/install whatever you want to call it and that's because of CTDs and freezing and as I say it's still happening.

I do/did have a few big mods running but have since uninstalled/deactivated them thinking/hoping it would solve it but I've been unsuccessful. At the moment I'm at Riften and when exiting the north entrance I have a dragon attack now upon this attack one of a few things will happen. Open my inventory = CTD or freeze, start fighting the dragon = freeze, there is a watch tower not far from the entrance with a chest named (confiscated good) lockpicking that and opening it = CTD, the first Thieves Guild (Taking Care of Business) heading towards Goldenglow Estate = CTD of freeze and I run in to other freezes in some other areas.

I have done the typical troubleshooting of deactivating mods and reactivating a few at a time which help me narrow down some E.G Dragons diversified was somehow the cause of the CTD when opening the chest...but then later it happened again (same chest) even with Dragons Diversified deactivated and uninstalled so we can see where this is a bit complicated.

As I say it's the 4th time starting the game over and I don't really plan of doing it again so with some help I would like to try and route out the cause of this evil. Whats funny about it all is I'm just under 20hours into this play though and it's only just stating now and that's something else the rest of them have in common, they never start straight of the bat it's always after 10-15hours of play.

My load order will follow but it's not the load order I have been playing with, whilst trying to get to the bottom of this I have since removed, Warzones, Occupy Skyrim, Dragons Diversified, USKP, SOS (with fix), Improved Combat Sounds, Levelers Tower, and a few others which has no scripts. I'm on the latest version of the game 1.5.26 and using the latest beta version of SKSE 1.5.6, I use Script Dragon for Auto Potions and Duel Wield Parry, I use the SVN version of Wrye Bash or Wrye Smash (what ever you prefer) 2361 or 296, and BOSS to sort my LO as usual.

Not sure what else I can do so hopefully you guys can lend us a hand. I think that's all the info but if anything else is needed let me know.

Load Order as it currently stands.

Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Skyrim.esm01  Update.esm02  Imp's More Complex Needs.esm  [Version 0.24]03  SkyMoMod.esm04  BlackTowerArmory.esm05  JSwords.esm06  ApachiiHair.esm07  Omegared99-Compilation.esm08  RaceCompatibility.esm09  Realistic Lighting.esp0A  Shadow Striping Fix.esp0B  Chesko_Frostfall.esp0C  Better Dynamic Snow.esp0D  Natural Skyrim Rain.esp0E  Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp0F  Weapons and Armor Fixes.esp10  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp11  3DNPC.esp12  AV1Dragon_Lords.esp13  Convenient Horses.esp14  CookingExpanded.esp15  CookingExpanded - IMCN.esp16  Crimson Tide - Blood.esp17  Dr_Bandolier.esp18  improvedskillbooks.esp19  Lanterns Of Skyrim - Around Cities.esp1A  Lanterns Of Skyrim - Bridges x2 - OnOff.esp1B  SkyMoMod_lists.esp1C  IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp1D  Actualize Apparel.esp1E  BlackSacramentArmor.esp1F  Cloaks.esp20  1nivWICCloaks.esp21  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]22  Insanity's Sorrow.esp  [Version 1.2]23  JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp24  LFArmors.esp25  Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp26  Omegared99-Compilation-NPC Plugin.esp27  TCOSS.esp28  Smithing Perks Overhaul.esp29  Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp2A  DeadlyDragons.esp2B  DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp2C  DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp2D  BlackTowerUpdate.esp2E  JKJsenhancedhotpools.esp++  DragonboneWeightReduction(x10)v1.2.esp2F  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp++  Proper Aiming.esp++  dD-Increase Fall Damage.esp30  No Perk Prereqs.esp++  SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp31  torches for realistic lighting.esp32  Unlevelled World.esp33  WATER.esp34  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp++  Jump150.esp35  Realistic Running Speed.esp36  IMCN - Overrides.esp37  BetterMage.esp38  FlashStep.esp39  Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp3A  TwinSoulsixpandedLevels.esp3B  PowerMasterTheTimeAndSpace.esp3C  dovahkiinrelax.esp3D  DragonbornAscendant.esp3E  Skyrim Improved Magic System.esp3F  Realistic crime report radius.esp40  ReneersCrimeOverhaul.esp41  The Dance of Death.esp42  Dual Wield Parrying_ScriptDragon.esp43  Duke Patricks - Heavy Weapons Combat.esp  [Version 5.1]44  Balanced_Alteraton.esp45  Balanced_Conjuration.esp46  Balanced_Destruction.esp47  Balanced_Illusion.esp48  Balanced_Restoration.esp++  Balanced_Magic_Master.esp++  Balanced_Magic_Adept.esp++  Balanced_Magic_Novice.esp49  numenume Hair.esp4A  TheEyesofBeauty.esp4B  FollowerWander2.esp4C  Giant Mammoths.esp4D  Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp4E  EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp++  Skyrim 30 DeadBody Remover.esp++  Skyrim 5 Day DeadBody Timer.esp++  Skyrim 5 Day Respawn.esp4F  Skyrim 5 Day Vendor Respawn.esp50  Bashed Patch, 0.esp51  throwingweapons.esp

» Sun May 27, 2012 2:33 pm

AFAIK it's mods with quests that will often conflict with eachother for some unknown reason, causing CTDs if you have more than 1 quest mod active. See how many of these mods have some type of quest included in them.

» Sun May 27, 2012 2:41 pm

Yeah I read about that but as far as I'm aware the only one is Black Tower and that's literally just to find the door which is on the way to Bleakfalls Barrow...I don't use quest mods.

» Mon May 28, 2012 4:48 am

I've heard that WATER 1.4a has caused also some CTDs. Also heard that Static mesh improvement has caused ctds for some people, but these might be conflict related issues.

» Sun May 27, 2012 9:39 pm

Yep i also read about that too but thought that was due to a lack of VRAM (something I'm not lacking) but it's worth a try seen as both of them mods have been part of all of my previous play through's where all this was happening so I'll remove them too.

» Sun May 27, 2012 3:04 pm

I've heard that WATER 1.4a has caused also some CTDs. Also heard that Static mesh improvement has caused ctds for some people, but these might be conflict related issues.

Yes.

» Mon May 28, 2012 3:38 am

Well deactivating the two of them unfortunately didn't help, still ended up CTDing during the fight.

» Sun May 27, 2012 6:42 pm

Did you load a save or start a new game? Deactivated mods can still have permanently altered your save.

» Sun May 27, 2012 9:00 pm

Might be a good idea to also add that texture mods I'm using...Order they are installed via BAIN.

Improved Dragon Textures v1.0
Crimson Tide Blood Texture v1.5
Glowing Ors Veins v2
Improved NPC Clothing v1.8.1
Quality World Map
Improved Torched Textures v2
Skyrim HD Full v 1.5 (Dungeons, Landscape, Misc and Towns)
Skyrim Flora Overhaul Hi-Res v1.9
Skyrim Flora Overhaul Snowy Pine 2048x4096
Serious HD Retexture Landscape 2048x2048 v1.2
Serious HD Retexture Landscape 2048x2048 Update 1.2.3
Realistic Smoke and Embers High v1.4
WATER v1.4a (Deactivated)
Kerplunk - Watery Rocks
Insanity's Mountain Texture replacer v1.0
Insanity's Cave Texture replacer v1.0
HQ Shields v1
Enhanced Distant Trees v1.0
Torches for Realistic Lighting
Ice of Skyrim v1.5
Nicer Snowflakes - Realistic v1.0
Enhanced Night Skyrim v04 High Stars
Enhanced Night Skyrim v04 Blue Galaxy
Weapon Retexture Project
Glowing Water Fix
Lush Grass v1.4.1
Lush Trees v1.3
Lush Trees - Vurts Compatibility Patch 1.3
HQ Food Ingredients 1.6 Cumulative
HD Fire FX v1.0
HD Emders v1.1
Super Realistic Ore Textures

And recently installed

HQLODs - Meshes Hi-Res
HQLODs - Textures Original

Did you load a save or start a new game? Deactivated mods can still have permanently altered your save.

This is a new game...just to be clear this whole thing is from a new game and I'm deactivating mods from a save IN this new game which in 20hours in...if you understand what I mean.

» Mon May 28, 2012 2:09 am

I'd take a look at disabling IMAGINATOR. That and Dynavision have reportedly been rather taxing on the scripting subsystem (though recent updates may have solved these issues, you'd have to check their pages on Nexus).

» Mon May 28, 2012 3:05 am

I'd take a look at disabling IMAGINATOR. That and Dynavision have reportedly been rather taxing on the scripting subsystem (though recent updates may have solved these issues, you'd have to check their pages on Nexus).

Hmm never once thought of that one, I'll give it a try..~~.should I reset the settings ingame back to default first or just disable it?~~

EDIT:

Still in the same position, Imaginator reset and disable and still freezes during the fight.

» Mon May 28, 2012 5:28 am

I suggest following http://www.creationkit.com/FAQ:_My_Script_Doesn%27t_Work%21#My_Script_compiles.2C_but_doesn.27t_work.21_How_can_I_debug_this.3Fto enable debug output. After you enable logging, try reproducing the problem and then post the log here (in spoiler tags, please).

» Sun May 27, 2012 7:50 pm

Erm I got the Papyrus.0.log but it's come back with 58311 lines...is that normal yeah?

» Sun May 27, 2012 1:17 pm

Normal if you just deactivated a bunch of mods that have objects that the savegame can no longer find, or it's full of errors, yes. Try re-enabling all of your mods in the general load order you've been playing with to possibly cut down on the size. It's not like cutting things out has helped any, at this point.

» Sun May 27, 2012 11:24 pm

OK added them all back and It's still 12000 lines long and way to big for me to post it, I don't know what the letter count limit is for each post so I may have to post it over 10+ separate posts which ain't very orthodox...any ideas? :confused:

» Sun May 27, 2012 10:59 pm

If you are unable to pinpoint a mod, or group of mods as the cause you may be ready to try http://wiki.step-project.com/Guide:Troubleshooting.

» Sun May 27, 2012 8:24 pm

You mention using the USKP, but it's not listed in your active load order. Are you sure you've properly activated it?

Also, when you disable mods, are you FULLY UNINSTALLING them? If you're not, you need to. Skyrim requires a mod be totally removed before you even have a chance of getting rid of its effects. It's no longer enough to simply uncheck the mod in Wrye Bash or something.

» Sun May 27, 2012 8:31 pm

You mention using the USKP, but it's not listed in your active load order. Are you sure you've properly activated it?

My load order will follow but it's not the load order I have been playing with, whilst trying to get to the bottom of this I have since removed, Warzones, Occupy Skyrim, Dragons Diversified, USKP, SOS (with fix), Improved Combat Sounds, Levelers Tower, and a few others which has no scripts. I'm on the latest version of the game 1.5.26 and using the latest beta version of SKSE 1.5.6, I use Script Dragon for Auto Potions and Duel Wield Parry, I use the SVN version of Wrye Bash or Wrye Smash (what ever you prefer) 2361 or 296, and BOSS to sort my LO as usual.

And yeah I also read about simple deactivation not being enough no more, so when ever removing a mod I always make sure it's fully uninstalled and everything that goes with it.

I'm going to try posting the log 1000 lines a time so will take a few posts if it even lets me post that many, for the people who understand it and will be going over it I do apologize but there is no other way I can get the log on here.

» Sun May 27, 2012 7:30 pm

I'm going to try posting the log 1000 lines a time so will take a few posts if it even lets me post that many, for the people who understand it and will be going over it I do apologize but there is no other way I can get the log on here.

pastebin is your friend.

» Sun May 27, 2012 6:52 pm

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» Sun May 27, 2012 6:24 pm

pastebin is your friend. :wink:

Why thank you kind Sir :smile:

Still can only copy 2000 lines a time to will be 4-5 links.

This is the Papyrus.0.log after exiting Riften and it freezing forcing me to open task manager and exit the game
http://pastebin.com/2bCVAPsh
http://pastebin.com/Ztey6tGD
http://pastebin.com/hfQM9FUG
http://pastebin.com/w2u5UinS
http://pastebin.com/vsnegczb
http://pastebin.com/M74zZFLt

This log is with all mods installed and active from which I originally started with.
Load order from start.

Active Mod Files:

Spoiler

00  Skyrim.esm01  Update.esm02  Imp's More Complex Needs.esm  [Version 0.24]03  SkyMoMod.esm04  WARZONES - Civil Unrest.esm05  BlackTowerArmory.esm06  JSwords.esm07  ApachiiHair.esm08  Omegared99-Compilation.esm09  RaceCompatibility.esm0A  SoS - The Dungeons.esp  [Version 1.10]0B  SoS - The Wilds.esp  [Version 1.0.1]0C  Realistic Lighting.esp0D  Shadow Striping Fix.esp0E  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]0F  Chesko_Frostfall.esp10  Improved Combat Sounds v2.0.esp11  ICS Possible Fix 1.esp12  Better Dynamic Snow.esp13  Natural Skyrim Rain.esp14  Realistic Lighting Patcher.esp15  Weapons and Armor Fixes.esp16  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp17  3DNPC.esp18  AV1Dragon_Lords.esp19  Convenient Horses.esp1A  CookingExpanded.esp1B  CookingExpanded - IMCN.esp1C  Crimson Tide - Blood.esp1D  DragonsDiversified.esp1E  Dr_Bandolier.esp1F  improvedskillbooks.esp20  Lanterns Of Skyrim - Around Cities.esp21  Lanterns Of Skyrim - Bridges x2 - OnOff.esp22  Occupy Skyrim.esp23  SkyMoMod_lists.esp24  IMAGINATOR - Visual Control for Skyrim.esp25  Actualize Apparel.esp26  BlackSacramentArmor.esp27  Cloaks.esp28  1nivWICCloaks.esp29  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 1.0]2A  DragonBoneWeaponsComplete.esp2B  FF7 Blades.esp2C  Insanity's Sorrow.esp  [Version 1.2]2D  JSwordsDistributionBalancePlugin.esp2E  LFArmors.esp2F  Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp30  Omegared99-Compilation-NPC Plugin.esp31  TCOSS.esp32  Smithing Perks Overhaul.esp33  Complete Crafting Overhaul.esp34  DeadlyDragons.esp35  DeadlyDragonsSpells.esp++  DeadlyDiversifiedDragonsPatch.esp36  DeadlyDragonsArmory.esp37  BlackTowerUpdate.esp38  JKJsenhancedhotpools.esp39  LevelersTower.esp3A  whiterunMarket.esp++  DragonboneWeightReduction(x10)v1.2.esp3B  AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp++  Proper Aiming.esp++  dD-Increase Fall Damage.esp3C  No Perk Prereqs.esp3D  NoCombatMusic.esp++  SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp3E  torches for realistic lighting.esp3F  Unlevelled World.esp40  Grind_stuff.esp41  WATER.esp42  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp++  Jump150.esp43  Realistic Running Speed.esp44  IMCN - Overrides.esp45  BetterMage.esp46  FlashStep.esp47  Phenderix's Magic Evolved.esp48  TwinSoulsixpandedLevels.esp49  PowerMasterTheTimeAndSpace.esp4A  dovahkiinrelax.esp4B  DragonbornAscendant.esp4C  ELEMEarthPrison.esp4D  ElemIceWall.esp4E  Skyrim Improved Magic System.esp4F  Realistic crime report radius.esp50  ReneersCrimeOverhaul.esp51  The Dance of Death.esp52  Dual Wield Parrying_ScriptDragon.esp53  Duke Patricks - Heavy Weapons Combat.esp  [Version 5.1]54  Balanced_Alteraton.esp55  Balanced_Conjuration.esp56  Balanced_Destruction.esp57  Balanced_Illusion.esp58  Balanced_Restoration.esp++  Balanced_Magic_Master.esp++  Balanced_Magic_Adept.esp++  Balanced_Magic_Novice.esp59  numenume Hair.esp5A  TheEyesofBeauty.esp5B  FollowerWander2.esp5C  Giant Mammoths.esp5D  Height Adjusted Races with True Giants.esp5E  EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp++  Skyrim 30 DeadBody Remover.esp++  Skyrim 5 Day DeadBody Timer.esp++  Skyrim 5 Day Respawn.esp5F  Skyrim 5 Day Vendor Respawn.esp60  Bashed Patch, 0.esp61  throwingweapons.esp

those links to me just contains a bunch of gibberish so thanks to anyone in advance who can make any sense of it.

» Sun May 27, 2012 9:29 pm

Why thank you kind Sir :smile:

Still can only copy 2000 lines a time to will be 4-5 links.

This is the Papyrus.0.log after exiting Riften and it freezing forcing me to open task manager and exit the game
http://pastebin.com/2bCVAPsh

Upload all the stuff and then make a single post with all the links. No need to edit and whatnot. That helps ensure they all get seen and keeps down clutter.

» Sun May 27, 2012 6:05 pm

Maybe you have too many textures running at once? I once heard that if you have the original texture bsa's in your data folder, and a bunch of texture mods on top of that, it can cause the game to crash. I'm not for sure, but I have had random crashes as well, and almost always after i install a large texture mod. I decompressed my bsa's into folders and replaced the originals with new textures, rather than keep the bsa's in the data folder, and haven't had any crashes since.

» Sun May 27, 2012 7:19 pm

Hmm maybe, but then with all mods deactivated (except texture mods) I don't get the crash or freeze...well at least I didn't like I am now, I was able to run around for a good five mins and quit on my own terms, but I guess it's worth a try.

How did you install them back though...I mean what method did you use, repack into a bsa, BAIN, D&D???

» Sun May 27, 2012 1:22 pm

A sizeable portion of that log spam is being generated by:
3B AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp

[05/18/2012 - 08:47:01PM] warning: Property ArmorLeatherSimpleOutfit on script tweakinventorycontrol attached to alias pAlias7 on quest TweakFollower (3B0012CE) cannot be initialized because the script no longer contains that property

The author is still active on the Nexus page for it. Might be a good idea to direct him to the pastebin links. It looks like he needs to get the CK to update the TweakFollower quest and make sure all of the properties are correct. He probably removed some dead ones during an update but didn't force the CK to update the list in the quest.