So...Daedric Princes in Skyrim... : V

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:36 pm

Ok so...I don't know if this topic has been made, since this is my very first time on the Bethesda forums...but...why are the Daedric Princes able to manifest in Tamriel? Oblivion said this was totaly impossible until like, the end of time.

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:45 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedra

Should answer any questions you have.

Actually I don't think it does at all.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:17 pm

Ok so...I don't know if this topic has been made, since this is my very first time on the Bethesda forums...but...why are the Daedric Princes able to manifest in Tamriel? Oblivion said this was totaly impossible until like, the end of time.

Have a http://i394.photobucket.com/albums/pp22/fabricek/Fishystick.jpg -- A welcome gift from us to you ... The wall that was holding them back was broken in TES IV

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:05 pm

Daedra can have champions, they can be summoned, they can influence the world but they can't physically be on Tamriel of their own accord scot free, unlike the Aedra. Just look at Sam Guevenne, Mephala, Vaermina, Molag Bal etc. This is how they interact. This is on contrast to Oblivion, where Dagon himself takes a stroll through Cyrodiil.

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:42 am

But Sam Guevenne was actually Sanguine, he merely took the form of a human. So technically Sanguine was physically in Skyrim was he not ?

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:10 pm

Daedra didn't help to create Tamriel (part of Nim) thus they still have most of their god power, unlike the other gods who created Nim, but loss more power. That is why one can not see them in their true form, on Nim since they were weaken for creating Nm, but since they help created Nim, they have more control over it then the Daedra has. So it balances out in a strange way.

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:05 am

But Sam Guevenne was actually Sanguine, he merely took the form of a human. So technically Sanguine was physically in Skyrim was he not ?

Not to mention Nocternal physically comes through her "oblivion gate" at the end of the Thieves Guild quest...to personally speak to you face to face. So she herself was also personally walking on Tamerial...despite the Crisis making this impossible.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:51 pm

But Sam Guevenne was actually Sanguine, he merely took the form of a human. So technically Sanguine was physically in Skyrim was he not ?

after 200 years, the wall that divides the planets seems to be weakling... Even nocturnal was on Nim for a short time in her ture form..

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:09 am

But Sam Guevenne was actually Sanguine, he merely took the form of a human. So technically Sanguine was physically in Skyrim was he not ?

That's the point though. He is restricted because of the rules regarding Daedra, so he assumed the role of a harmless drunk. The same would probably apply to Sheo if he wanted to go through the Solitude botanical gardens, he would probably dress up as the CoC and go about his merry way.

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:14 am

Don't forget Sheogorath's portal near Bravil in Oblivion. It more or less happened _after_ the Oblivion crisis. I think just the big things have become impossible. Notice how the Daedra have become indeed less powerful on Tamriel. Clavicus stuck in his shrine, that ebony sword rotting in some basemant in Whiterun ...

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:31 pm

How would explain Nocturnal's visit? or Clavicus's dog around?

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:42 am

Ever since the events of Oblivion and Martin's sacrifice, the barriers between Tamriel and Oblivion are said to have been sealed once more. Is there an explanation for how Sheogorath can -apparently- so easily open a gate between his realm and Tamriel? Sheogorath’s gate is really an invitation to come to his realm, not a gateway he can send armies or himself through. That’s the barrier that has been shut, you won’t see a daedra lord himself step into the mortal plane ever again. So you can still have isolated mortals be summoned to a realm and you can still summon a daedra yourself through conjuration and other means. Thats from a Q&A with Todd after Oblivion...so...why are they walking around?

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:37 am

If I remember right part of what binds them is simply agreements. What the aedra are doing is keeping them from coming enmasse like they did in oblivion. They can still "pop" in though. If I remember sotha sil worked out some agreement with them so they don't just do whatever, but ultimately they can do whatever they want. If they decided to ignore the agreements they could pop over and kill everyone in tamriel easily.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:29 pm

In case I remember the ending fight of Oblivion correctly, when Dagon finally appeared in the Temple district, Martin yelled something like Dagon must not do that, that he's simply not allowed.

Also, I still think that Sanguine or other Daedra lords are not 'really' there. 99% of their power still stays in their realm.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 10:53 pm

Ever since the events of Oblivion and Martin's sacrifice, the barriers between Tamriel and Oblivion are said to have been sealed once more. Is there an explanation for how Sheogorath can -apparently- so easily open a gate between his realm and Tamriel? Sheogorath’s gate is really an invitation to come to his realm, not a gateway he can send armies or himself through. That’s the barrier that has been shut, you won’t see a daedra lord himself step into the mortal plane ever again. So you can still have isolated mortals be summoned to a realm and you can still summon a daedra yourself through conjuration and other means. Thats from a Q&A with Todd after Oblivion...so...why are they walking around?

so where is this Q&A are you talking about? I would to see /hear it...

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:53 pm

Snow-Throat Tower has gone down, weakening the barrier.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:32 pm

In case I remember the ending fight of Oblivion correctly, when Dagon finally appeared in the Temple district, Martin yelled something like Dagon must not do that, that he's simply not allowed.

Also, I still think that Sanguine or other Daedra lords are not 'really' there. 99% of their power still stays in their realm.

Good point I suppose, they can physically manifest in Tamriel in various forms, but they themselves can't actually cross over.

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:19 am

You can find it on the UESPs Oblivion Fan Interview Part IV. He said this could somehow change...but Skyrim provides no reasons for this at all.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:07 pm

They can't physically manifest in Tamerial, or appear in their true form. They can however communicate through avatars, followers, ghostly voices or apparitions.

» Wed Jul 18, 2012 12:30 am

They can't physically manifest in Tamerial, or appear in their true form. They can however communicate through avatars, followers, ghostly voices or apparitions.

Yet Nocternal physically manifested in Tamerial...

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:09 pm

That was far, far too small to be Nocturnal...

...and at any rate isn't it explained at some point that the door is physically part of her domain?

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:48 pm

That was far, far too small to be Nocturnal...

...and at any rate isn't it explained at some point that the door is physically part of her domain?

Aren't they more or less the same size as mortals? (all but one anyway)

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:40 pm

Ok so I guess Seogorath being the same size as you means he wasn't Seogorath? honestly...it is common knowledge Daedra can alter their appearence.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:49 pm

That's the point though. He is restricted because of the rules regarding Daedra, so he assumed the role of a harmless drunk. The same would probably apply to Sheo if he wanted to go through the Solitude botanical gardens, he would probably dress up as the CoC and go about his merry way.

It's common theory that Sheo takes on the image he does (a gentleman) BECAUSE it allows him to lure unsuspecting victims down the path of madness.

» Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:40 pm

i bet my character could kick any daedric prince in the face.
they are soo far up on their arses