Dawnguard Pretty Buggy? : V

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:10 pm

According to this writer when he played it at E3 he experienced a good amount of bugs. Makes me kind of wonder why there pushing this out so quick, 2 weeks doesn't seem like very much time to beta test.

http://www.justpushstart.com/2012/06/dawnguard-suffers-from-major-bugs-in-its-current-state/

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:18 pm

Just great >_<

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:16 pm

ha i suspected this the moment i heard they were issuing betas to people. Its as if they are too lazy to test thoroughly so they thought "hey lets send it out to xbox guinea pigs and let the complaints pour in on what needs to be patched for the official release....not like we'll listen though"

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:36 pm

Yeah but they wont be getting JUST beta-testers. They'll be getting full-blown Bethesda Softworks Forum members. Quite [censored]y at times, but thorough.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:12 pm

ha i suspected this the moment i heard they were issuing betas to people. Its as if they are too lazy to test thoroughly so they thought "hey lets send it out to xbox guinea pigs and let the complaints pour in on what needs to be patched for the official release....not like we'll listen though" :tongue:

Yea I really don't see the point in a Beta unless you actually listen and are involved with the Beta community. :ermm:

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:23 pm

ha i suspected this the moment i heard they were issuing betas to people. Its as if they are too lazy to test thoroughly so they thought "hey lets send it out to xbox guinea pigs and let the complaints pour in on what needs to be patched for the official release....not like we'll listen though" :tongue:

My understanding is that they do listen and respond to the PC beta patch tests. In fact, they often go through several iterations before their final release. So I see no reason they won't listen to the Dawnguard beta testing.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:53 pm

That's really unfortunate. Hopefully its playable after the beta without that stuff happening.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:25 pm

My understanding is that they do listen and respond to the PC beta patch tests. In fact, they often go through several iterations before their final release. So I see no reason they won't listen to the Dawnguard beta testing.

Hundreds of free beta testers is much more effective then half a dozen paid beta testers. With a really huge game with so many options and ways to do things it take tens of thousands of hours to properly betatest. Its why MMOs all have big beta tests with tons of players invited.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:33 am

The advantage in my opinion in sending it out to fan is that you have ALOT more people to beta test it. They want to hurry up and get dawnguard out so that we can enjoy it. Bethesda has like what 100 people working on elder scrolls? Having 500-1000 people beta test it to me would help to very quickly get the bugs down so they can deal with them.

I assure you everyone that if hopefully I am picked no damn bloody bug shall go unnoticed...or unpunished!!

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:45 am

My understanding is that they do listen and respond to the PC beta patch tests. In fact, they often go through several iterations before their final release. So I see no reason they won't listen to the Dawnguard beta testing.

They do? Not that I always participate in the beta's on PC because I play my console version more... but I check out the beta forums for the PC patches all the time, I vary rarely see them communicating with those posting issues. Usually it's just Gstaff popping in to say they updated something or something similar every once in a while.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:36 pm

Not surprised.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 4:21 pm

Hundreds of free beta testers is much more effective then half a dozen paid beta testers. With a really huge game with so many options and ways to do things it take tens of thousands of hours to properly betatest. Its why MMOs all have big beta tests with tons of players invited.

Interesting. You have my quote, but it's attributed to Haggar.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 10:03 am

They do? Not the I always participate in the beta's on PC because I play my console version more... but I check out the beta forums for the PC patches all the time, I vary rarely see them communicating with those posting issues. Usually it's just Gstaff popping in to say they updated something or something similar every once in a while.

Just because they're not responding doesn't mean they're not paying attention and fixing the issues people bring up.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:05 pm

ha i suspected this the moment i heard they were issuing betas to people. Its as if they are too lazy to test thoroughly so they thought "hey lets send it out to xbox guinea pigs and let the complaints pour in on what needs to be patched for the official release....not like we'll listen though" :tongue:

Again with the laziness insults. What is with people today? Do you think it feels good to work 12-14 hours a day on a project you feel really passionate about, only to watch people tear you down without giving you ANY credit for your hard work?

People wonder why the devs avoid this board like the plague. Well here you go.

:mad:

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:40 pm

They do? Not that I always participate in the beta's on PC because I play my console version more... but I check out the beta forums for the PC patches all the time, I vary rarely see them communicating with those posting issues. Usually it's just Gstaff popping in to say they updated something or something similar every once in a while.

That doesnt mean they arent reading whats been said. I'm not surprised that the devs dont post on the forums much, because whenever they do they just get bombarded by questions that they're not allowed to answer anyway.

Again with the laziness insults. What is with people today? Do you think it feels good to work 12-14 hours a day on a project you feel really passionate about, only to watch people tear you down without giving you ANY credit for your hard work?

People wonder why the devs avoid this board like the plague. Well here you go.

:mad:

Yeah, and there is that reason too...

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:21 pm

Hundreds of free beta testers is much more effective then half a dozen paid beta testers. With a really huge game with so many options and ways to do things it take tens of thousands of hours to properly betatest. Its why MMOs all have big beta tests with tons of players invited.

Thank you for being a rational, reasonable human being who actually thought about this question. I think I need a vacation from these boards. :blush:

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:20 pm

Internal testing can never iron out the glitches. Until a game or DLC gets handed to a large audience you will never know just how bad the game can be buggy. These beta tests make it easier for the developers and help solve problems they might never have actually found when only a handful of people are playing.
That laziness insult is just simply wrong. This beta should help everyone.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:22 pm

That doesnt mean they arent reading whats been said. I'm not surprised that the devs dont post on the forums much, because whenever they do they just get bombarded by questions that they're not allowed to answer anyway.

Yeah, and there is that reason too...

Doesn't mean they can't simply ignore those post, and I would hope people posting in beta would be there to discuss the beta issues. Even a quick, "we are aware of this issue" would be good, just so we know they know about the issue.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:22 pm

Internal testing can never iron out the glitches. Until a game or DLC gets handed to a large audience you will never know just how bad the game can be buggy. These beta tests make it easier for the developers and help solve problems they might never have actually found when only a handful of people are playing.
That laziness insult is just simply wrong. This beta should help everyone.

I agree, but 2 weeks? I have never seen a company do a beta and have it successful in 2 weeks, where it was stable upon release. That's not a lot of time to find reported issue, fix them, and put them in the main release/ and or patch.

EDIT: Not to say they won't push the release back further if needed, but normally when a company has a date set before even open beta, that means there going to do every thing they can to rush the game out on time.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:08 pm

Again with the laziness insults. What is with people today? Do you think it feels good to work 12-14 hours a day on a project you feel really passionate about, only to watch people tear you down without giving you ANY credit for your hard work?

People wonder why the devs avoid this board like the plague. Well here you go.

:mad:

they said it themselves with all the stuff they did in one week in the game jam video..."imagined if we worked like this every week?"

so that implies theres a lack of enthusiasm or laziness with addressing problems and fixing them in a timely manner.

dont get all angry face at me because i point out the truth. I love the elder scrolls games but i feel beth gets too complacent with their success and really needs to focus on more QA before pushing things out and awaiting us to complain about it

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:54 pm

ha i suspected this the moment i heard they were issuing betas to people. Its as if they are too lazy to test thoroughly so they thought "hey lets send it out to xbox guinea pigs and let the complaints pour in on what needs to be patched for the official release....not like we'll listen though" :tongue:

In actual fact, when a company releases an open beta like this it is because the amount of data that can be gathered this way is orders of magnitude above what can be achieved by an in-house team.
Its a sign of good quality control in my eyes.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:36 pm

Do not forget, It's Bethesda.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:15 pm

I agree, but 2 weeks? I have never seen a company do a beta and have it successful in 2 weeks, where it was stable upon release. That's not a lot of time to find reported issue, fix them, and put them in the main release/ and or patch.

That I agree with. While I would love for this to come out on the 26th, considering the time it takes for normal game patches to come out this just seems kinda rushed. It's gonna be interesting to see how well the dlc is on launch.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 12:02 pm

they said it themselves with all the stuff they did in one week in the game jam video..."imagined if we worked like this every week?"

so that implies theres a lack of enthusiasm or laziness with addressing problems and fixing them in a timely manner.

dont get all angry face at me because i point out the truth. I love the elder scrolls games but i feel beth gets too complacent with their success and really needs to focus on more QA before pushing things out and awaiting us to complain about it

Not really, that just implies that with a big company allowing your developers to do whatever they want will bring some interesting results but you would never know what people are working on and there would be huge issues when bringing all together in the final build.

» Fri Jun 15, 2012 2:19 pm

Beta testers are getting paid to test a buggy product, I don't see an issue.,