http://rt.com/usa/news/deadly-coli-strain-adams/

Engineered, but by whom and why?

So far it has killed 40 people worldwide and is immune to all antibiotics that have been thrown at it.

Scary stuff that.

It was either manufactured as a biological weapon or to test cures on. I doubt it is linked to terrorism or was deliberately exposed to the world.

I feel like I should be shocked, but so much stupid [censored] happens all the time that I'm not.

Didn't the Taliban, or Al-Quieda (spelling?), say they would target food sources next?

Qaeda, I would assume they would be too scattered after losing two of their leaders (imo Obama should never have announced the assassination)

Labs (at least in the US) have some really super strict procedures and stuff around those kinds of deadly viruses/bacteria. - least, that's sure the way it sounds when my sister talks about her lab building and the different zones it has (uhhh... I don't know all the terminology, apologies for my vagueness). I'd kind of be a little surprised if it escaped from a lab, but I don't know how rigorous decontamination and other procedures (like waste disposal) are in the various EU labs and associated facilities. It's totally possible it could have escaped from a lab, but it is a little odd that the strain was found on and associated with specific food sources and not other vectors.

Another possibility is that this is just a very unfortunate by-product of preventative antibiotic use, or the result of another hospital-bred antibiotic resistant monstrosity. Did you know that 100,000 people in the US die each year from hospital-related infections?

Here we go again..

Doom prophecy #18375

I don't see any proof that it was engineered, only speculation. Anyways, it's still a scary thought.

I doubt any DOOM will come of it, at least, not here in Australia (no-one wants to waste weaponry on us)

It was flagged as engineered from day one.

All the talk of it coming from farms was laughable...especially when you consider the outbreak was so localized but farm products go everywhere (certainly over a much larger area).

A dirty secret most don't realize is that pretty much any pharmaceutical plant has the hardware to produce bio weapons. I have no doubt that many illegal bio weapon programs go on all around the world. Some do it under the guise of "research" for a defense against bio weapon attack (so, they make the new bugs so they can find ways to defend against them....handy, eh?). Others simply do it out of sight, but you can't prove it's going on because you won't find any hard documentation.

Local pharmaceutical plant used temp labor to get something taken care of. I worked there a few weeks, and one guy told me there are shipments that come and go that do not go to/from the production lines. There are staff who don't talk to anyone any are not seen all day. There's floors the elevator can go to that nobody has a key to...not even the plant manager, but people do go down to those levels.

Either tippy-top secret R&D section for the company or a bio weapon lab for the government.

Hmmm....intredasting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Kyi0WNg40

In all seriousness I highly doubt they would test biological weapons on their citizens when they have ongoing wars in Libya and Afghanistan.

In addition to a "Hot Topic" icon, I think we may end up needing a "Tinfoil Hat" icon. Not that this thread's gotten there.. yet.

:lol:

I think I'll need to anolyse this report in the http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT9z5D03uE2kYh8ZDkst3Kv4kFspJRoaDVDx5Cc_2TZ3sBfRNFR

We draw ever closer to the Zombie Apocalypse of 2012. :celebration:

Yes, because a random blog that's got quotes 'NaturalNews' is my source of choice when we talk about engineered bioweapons.

Seriously, if you want a good laugh go ahead and type HealthNews into Google.



Then again, since I am in fact a card carrying member of The Man, I'm just trying to keep people down, right?

Sad thing is it isn't hard to quote "Engineer" this stuff if you really think about it. Every day viruses and bacteria are mutating due to people out there who can be classified as "Bio-Reactors". People who take obsessive amounts of antibiotics cause bacteria to mutate quite rapidly. This is why you end up with drug resistance Tuberculosis strains. What's even sadder is you can essentially expose bacteria to antibiotics and then collect the ones that survived.

After you collect the ones that survived you allow them to breed and then re-expose them to that same antibiotic essentially building up resistance to it. At the moment imho there's only 2 ways to bypass this resistance. First way is killing it with harmful exposure that can't be resisted such as UV light, Heat/Pressure, or exposure to extremely toxic substances like bleach, chlorine, iodine gas, and/or ozone to name a few.

In all honesty I wouldn't be surprised if this bacteria had been engineered, but if you only have 1 source claiming this story then the validity of it is a problem.

By random blog you mean "major citizen journalism broadcasting 24/7 news over cable, satellite and internet across 6 continents and 100 countries" right?

Look Bonemonster, if they quote Mike Adams, I don't care if they're CNN. Adams is a crackpot. Go ahead and do some research on him. Don't take my word for it, 'cause that's just as bad.

Hardly sounds like doomsday prophecy to me, a strain of E.Coli that none of the presently used treatments work on couldn't bring about the end of the world, while the casualties it causes could increase in the future, I'm sure that it will still ultimately be a ridiculously tiny number when you compare it to the actual amount of people in the world. While there seem to be a lot of doomsday theories going around lately, we can't really say it's one every time someone talks about anything bad and makes a theory about it.

Still, it doesn't really prove that it's engineered artificially, it's still just speculation, and even if it's true, it doesn't help us much if we don't know who engineered it or where, if that was known, then perhaps appropriate action could be taken against those responsible for it, without knowing it's source on the other hand, whether it's engineered or natural doesn't change much in practice.

I stand corrected. Mike Adams is indeed a crackpot.

This.

This story is officially bunk until it comes from a more reliable source. There is not one reliable source banging the "it was bio-engineered" drum, and for good reason.

The germ involved in the European outbreaks is a rare and unusual one, true. However, that absolutely does not point to it being engineered. "Rare" does not automatically equate to "engineered / omgwtfterrorism." And for the record, Adams' claim that it was "exposed to eight different antibiotics?" Patently untrue. There is NOTHING to suggest that. It's considered possible some antibiotic resistance was involved--these days there usually is, just because of the prevalence of antibiotic use and rampant misuse--but resistance spawned by exposing bacteria to eight antibiotics? Um, no. Not by a long shot.

Just because it's in a "news" article doesn't make it true. If you see something alarmist like this, research it first. Running around going on like the sky is about to fall just spreads misinformation.

I had the unfortunate luck of being poisoned with e-coli two years ago and let me tell you, it was the worst sickness of my life...and i've had major concussions and an appendectomy.

Where did I get it? Starbucks.

Doesn't matter. The disease exists, why it exists isn't important. Will this information give less people E-Coli? More? No, nothing's changed. The only thing this information does is make us spend our time finding someone to blame, time that could be better spent on other things.

EDIT: I didn't actually read the story, mostly because it wouldn't have changed what I wrote above, my opinion stands whether it's true or not.

Interesting