Deflect arrows perk needs fixing ASAP : V

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:40 pm

So my shield character is on the back burner now because of this ridiculous bug, if you didnt know what it was, if you get the deflect arrows perk for the block tree, all physical damage will be reduced to near zero, this includes power attacks from GIANTS! This just completely ruins the gameplay because now no matter what difficulty you play on , you are pretty much invincible to over 75 percent of the characters....this needs to be fixed in the next update, and secondly, does anyone know if this was like this before 1.4? Because I could of sworn my previous mace and shield character did not have this problem....

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:07 am

I bet someone is going to tell you to just not take the Perk...

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:15 pm

I bet someone is going to tell you to just not take the Perk...

That means we cant use the entire left side of the tree. When elemental protection is one of the main reasons I use the shield. Otherwise I would just use enchanting and 2 handed weapons....

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:35 pm

unpatched (i refuse to get any untill they work out all the bugs they, apprently, make with each patch, i dont even have bugs so no way am i going to get some) and i cant block a giant without getting sent to the moon (yes i have the perk)

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:58 pm

I agree with the OP that this bug really needs a fix. It is pretty serious, in my opinion.

Hopefully Bethesda is listening.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:13 pm

unpatched (i refuse to get any untill they work out all the bugs they, apprently, make with each patch, i dont even have bugs so no way am i going to get some) and i cant block a giant without getting sent to the moon (yes i have the perk)

then this has to be like the elemental resistance bug that popped up after the 1.2 update. And I refuse to use my shield character until then, because I dont want to use enchanting, or rely on luck to find some good elemental resistance jewelry.....I need that elemental protection perk....

I agree with the OP that this bug really needs a fix. It is pretty serious, in my opinion.

Hopefully Bethesda is listening.

I hope so, this doesnt seem to be getting as much attention as the glitched dragons and the resistance problems from 1.2........but I really hope so, because i play on master with my warriors for a challenge, and with it as is at the moment, i can just walk through giants and mammoths and let my archer follower do all the work....

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:28 am

Yeah I hear ya. I started over after I realized deflect arrows was bugged and reports that shield charge would stop working with no way to fix unless on pc. It's a shame.......really.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:11 am

The bug really isn't that bad. It gives an automatic 85% reduction but if you have a good shield and 4 levels of shield wall, you'll have that anyway so since you have to have one level to get deflect, it just replaces 3 more. Yes, a little overpowered at low levels but not gamebreaking at all IMHO.

BTW: I have this perk on one character who has low armor rating and he takes noticeable damage from high level enemies.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:22 pm

The bug really isn't that bad. It gives an automatic 85% reduction but if you have a good shield and 4 levels of shield wall, you'll have that anyway so since you have to have one level to get deflect, it just replaces 3 more. Yes, a little overpowered at low levels but not gamebreaking at all IMHO.

BTW: I have this perk on one character who has low armor rating and he takes noticeable damage from high level enemies.

I have a level 10 character with the perk, and ONE perk in shield wall, and I can stand in front of giants and be just fine, i tested it on everything from wolves to snow bears, to frost trolls and then mammoths and giants, there is no damage, if you are getting ddamage, then you re actually lucky, i tried multiple times, i take NO damage. ITs more than a bit overpowered, and needs fixing ASAP. IT completely takes all the challenge away from playing on master with a shield. ALL challenge is gone.

edit : this was with a banded iron shield. and banded iron armor, i was by no means very strong yet.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:12 am

The bug really isn't that bad. It gives an automatic 85% reduction but if you have a good shield and 4 levels of shield wall, you'll have that anyway so since you have to have one level to get deflect, it just replaces 3 more. Yes, a little overpowered at low levels but not gamebreaking at all IMHO.

BTW: I have this perk on one character who has low armor rating and he takes noticeable damage from high level enemies.

Don't you have to spend 4 perks and have a Block Skill of 60 to get 4 points into Shield Wall? And then isn't it just 20% for the first perk and 5% for each additional point in it? That's what I gather from here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Perks

So for Deflect Arrows you get 85% Damage Reduction across the board and you need to spend 2 perks and have a Block level of 30.

For 4 points into Shield Wall you need 60 Block, to use 2 more perks, and you only get 35% more Damage Reduction (20% for the Base level, then 5% for each of the other levels for 15%)

How is it not gamebreaking again?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:19 pm

Don't you have to spend 4 perks and have a Block Skill of 60 to get 4 points into Shield Wall? And then isn't it just 20% for the first perk and 5% for each additional point in it? That's what I gather from here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Perks

So for Deflect Arrows you get 85% Damage Reduction across the board and you need to spend 2 perks and have a Block level of 30.

For 4 points into Shield Wall you need 60 Block, to use 2 more perks, and you only get 35% more Damage Reduction (20% for the Base level, then 5% for each of the other levels for 15%)

How is it not gamebreaking again?

I fail to understand as well. I want my melee fights with shields to take some timing, not just stand there and take every hit like its a mosquito bite.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:11 pm

I have a level 10 character with the perk, and ONE perk in shield wall, and I can stand in front of giants and be just fine, i tested it on everything from wolves to snow bears, to frost trolls and then mammoths and giants, there is no damage, if you are getting ddamage, then you re actually lucky, i tried multiple times, i take NO damage. ITs more than a bit overpowered, and needs fixing ASAP. IT completely takes all the challenge away from playing on master with a shield. ALL challenge is gone.

edit : this was with a banded iron shield. and banded iron armor, i was by no means very strong yet.

Well you should still be taking 15% damage. I agree that while it is not game breaking, it does make using a shield in the beginning boring. Getting to "God Mode" at level 2 as long as I have deflect arrows and my shield up....yawn...I want atleast 50 hours in before God Mode!!

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:37 pm

Don't you have to spend 4 perks and have a Block Skill of 60 to get 4 points into Shield Wall? And then isn't it just 20% for the first perk and 5% for each additional point in it? That's what I gather from here: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Perks

The wiki is incorrect. Each level actually gives 10%. The complete character thread guys did a detailed anolysis of the whole blocking thing; worth looking at.
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1333470-complete-character-design-freedom-damage-resist-caps-and-ridiculous-damage-thread-9/page__fromsearch__1

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:27 am

The wiki is incorrect. Each level actually gives 10%. The complete character thread guys did a detailed anolysis of the whole blocking thing; worth looking at.
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1333470-complete-character-design-freedom-damage-resist-caps-and-ridiculous-damage-thread-9/page__fromsearch__1

Yes, but this problem did not pop up until after 1.4

Well you should still be taking 15% damage. I agree that while it is not game breaking, it does make using a shield in the beginning boring. Getting to "God Mode" at level 2 as long as I have deflect arrows and my shield up....yawn...I want atleast 50 hours in before God Mode!!

I generally dont want to be on god mod when i play on master, hence the reason for playing on master. I had 200 health with my level 10, and I stood still in front of a frost troll on master with a banded iron shield on superior quality for 5 minutes and did not die, i HIGHLY doubt that is 15 percent damage....my health went down MAYBE half a MM every 5 hits....

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:25 pm

I generally dont want to be on god mod when i play on master, hence the reason for playing on master. I had 200 health with my level 10, and I stood still in front of a frost troll on master with a banded iron shield on superior quality for 5 minutes and did not die, i HIGHLY doubt that is 15 percent damage....my health went down MAYBE half a MM every 5 hits....

Did you have armor on? After the initial 85% damage reduction the other 15% damage is reduced by armor damage reduction. So if the frost troll is doing 100 damage, the damage reduces to 15 then reduces even further, probably to 10 or 11, maybe even as low as 7 at your level.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:32 am

Yes, but this problem did not pop up until after 1.4

It has been this way before 1.4. Probably since the beginning. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Block#Deflect_Arrows_and_Shield_Wall

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:33 pm

They will never fix this. Mark my words.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:45 pm

The reason it doesnt get much attention is because the casual fans (those who tweet/trend about skyrim more than they probably play), would never notice such a thing. Its one thing to see a backwards dragon or have crashes, but the guy running around like a fool trying to kill everyone or everything in sight would never think to even check if any perks are bugged or not. I hope it is fixed. I think the OP exaggerated a bit, cause im not 'immune' to all attacks, but deflect arrows does bring you up to 85 blocking effectiveness immediately, and it ruins other perks on the tree

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:31 pm

I never had this problem. My main character uses a sword and shield, and the arrow perk is what I picked on day one. I have never had any issues with nullifying all damage unless I'm deflecting arrows.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:01 pm

Did you have armor on? After the initial 85% damage reduction the other 15% damage is reduced by armor damage reduction. So if the frost troll is doing 100 damage, the damage reduces to 15 then reduces even further, probably to 10 or 11, maybe even as low as 7 at your level.

Had superior iron banded armor on.

The reason it doesnt get much attention is because the casual fans (those who tweet/trend about skyrim more than they probably play), would never notice such a thing. Its one thing to see a backwards dragon or have crashes, but the guy running around like a fool trying to kill everyone or everything in sight would never think to even check if any perks are bugged or not. I hope it is fixed. I think the OP exaggerated a bit, cause im not 'immune' to all attacks, but deflect arrows does bring you up to 85 blocking effectiveness immediately, and it ruins other perks on the tree

Yeah, they probably are like " SWEET IM NOT TAKING ANY DAMAGE, DERP DERP DERP", and they dont care, but people that actually want to get into the game and pay attention to the details get f'd in the A, if they want to have a challenge using a shield and no enchantments whatsoever.......

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:15 am

I never had this problem. My main character uses a sword and shield, and the arrow perk is what I picked on day one. I have never had any issues with nullifying all damage unless I'm deflecting arrows.

Its not a drastic difference, but it does bring you up to 85 effectiveness. That doesnt make you immune tO damage, but its top effectiveness with a shield. If a tougher enemy is swinging away at you it may not be a huge difference, but its there and it makes the shield wall branch useless and gives you a cheap boost

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:36 am

Yeah, they probably are like " SWEET IM NOT TAKING ANY DAMAGE, DERP DERP DERP",

I love that you know so much about how other people play. And that you judge them for it.

and they dont care, but people that actually want to get into the game and pay attention to the details get f'd in the A, if they want to have a challenge using a shield and no enchantments whatsoever.......

I'm pretty sure Bethesda doesn't fix issues based on whether they think people want to "get into the game" or not. They fix issues based on how much it would cost to fix them, and whether or not they can afford that based on the other things they have to fix.

Lastly, this is a game, after all. A toy. Something to play with in your spare time. Don't take it so seriously.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:05 am

I love that you know so much about how other people play. And that you judge them for it.

I'm pretty sure Bethesda doesn't fix issues based on whether they think people want to "get into the game" or not. They fix issues based on how much it would cost to fix them, and whether or not they can afford that based on the other things they have to fix.

Lastly, this is a game, after all. A toy. Something to play with in your spare time. Don't take it so seriously.

A broken faulty toy usually gets recalled, this is not the case with video games though, video game companies can get away with this, unlike any other company out there, that would normally be held responsible. And it would not take that much effort to fix this, its a minor coding error that they overlooked, and it would take no time at all to fix, if they care, why make perks and perk descriptions at all if each perk is just gonna cancel out the other, it might as well say " These 5 perks are not important, just take this one, which will break several ohers, but you wont take any damage, so dont worry"

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:46 pm

I was planning on using the console to "skip" this perk: i.e. removeperk this skill AND addperk the next (elemental protection) when I reach the required skill.

Would this work as an interim solution? (rather than playing a broken mechanic)

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:51 pm

So my shield character is on the back burner now because of this ridiculous bug, if you didnt know what it was, if you get the deflect arrows perk for the block tree, all physical damage will be reduced to near zero, this includes power attacks from GIANTS! This just completely ruins the gameplay because now no matter what difficulty you play on , you are pretty much invincible to over 75 percent of the characters....this needs to be fixed in the next update, and secondly, does anyone know if this was like this before 1.4? Because I could of sworn my previous mace and shield character did not have this problem....

Can't really give you a solution if you're playing on one of the consoles (PS3 or X360).

But i sorted out that "bug" or whatever people wanna call it with the CK (PC).

So what my Deflect arrow does is reducing the dmg from arrows to 0, IF the arrow hits the shield ofc.
If the arrow misses the shield and hits me instead somewhere i'll take full dmg.

So like i said, if you're on the PC, use the CK.
If you're on one of the consoles, well sorry i can't be of help.

Good luck to you