Destruction has stun lock, low damage, high cost countered by enchantments of course but still, master spells are not strong first and foremost secondly the take a hella long time to cast and thirdly interruptions just kill them not to mention no DPS on them better off casting 20 thunder bolts or whatever the eff its called to kill a giant than doing that cause your just gonna get knocked out of tamerial. Now lets look at archery. 1 kill faster animation sneak bonus never have to be seen never in danger now lets look at melee herp de derp one hit kill ancient dragon seems balanced (trololol). They are other magic schools but there are just like you don't need them most do no damage. Paralyze you say ? Enchantments I say, Mage armor you say ? Daedric I say, Robe buffs you say ? Enchantments I say well you get the point everything spell a mage can have so can Meele and Archer through enchantments and Alchemy its bs and dose anyone else feel as if npc mages are way better than the PC ? Well we all know this is through i'm just letting out a few stray frustrations at how stupid bethesda were removing spell making. If I wanted pre made spells i'd go play fable thanks. Solution Spell making alter. COME ON WE ALL WANT IT !!!!!! Not having makes mages so boring one spell that is all the class that is supposed to versatile all you use is one spell and stun locks. Conjuration is pointless too sure their usefull mid and early game but a past level 40 on master there one shotted by most enemies. Dead thrall was a cool idea but is not worth the hassle companions can do the same thing with out the orgism moan every two seconds and the don't disappear as much. Make dead thralls have the same options as companions is what I say.

I know there are dozens of threads on this but come on its so dumb. I don't die ever with my mage but its just snorlax....

You obviously know nothing about the games magic mechanics, or can even write acceptable English.

If you want help on how to make destruction viable on master, I can help, I've done it on plenty of characters. I can kill deathlords/giants/bandit marauders in mere seconds using the expert spells, dual single casting incinerate at full speed. I never have 100% destruction reduction nor do I use alchemy, yet I never feel "ugh I'm doing pathetic damage", even on master.

But the fact you say stuff like "conjuration is useless past level 40 on master" mean you obviously have no idea, the difficulty setting doesn't even affect summons to start with.

Acceptable English ? Says the guy whose user name is bobjim123... I didn't say the difficulty settings had anything to do with conjuration if you actually comprehend what I said "conjuration is useless past level 40 on master" conjuration will not scale with level there fore on master it will not be useful at all past level 40 is that too difficult for you to understand? I said destruction was boring I didn't say that I die at all the damage is pathetic compared to a warrior or archer who can one shot everything in the game past level 40. " I never have 100% destruction" It should be " I do not have 100% destruction reduction" please fix this mistake . Being a English Nazi is fine but at least make sure you actually use it yourself otherwise you look really dumb but that's just advice you can do whatever you wanna do I don't care about proper grammar on forums only on my Psychology term papers . Using commas is fine, if you are writing a term paper but on a forum I don't think anyone will care if you use them or not bringing up this was just pointless on your part seeing as you make mistakes too and that your criticism was not constructive (helpful in case you don't know that means) . Another thing about alchemy, I said warriors and archers can get the same effects that a magic user gets from their spells using alchemy and enchanting . Please actually learn to comprehend my statement before you comment. Silly boy.

No, seriously dood, grammar. Use it. Also, try spacing out your posts into paragraphs, they're just hard to use.

T'challa says: calm down you two. There is a time for fighting but now is not that time.

Yeah, they really need to do something about Destruction spells. The damage they do is just not useful past the 40s.

My English is fine, my text that you've 'corrected' was perfectly acceptable, my username is also fine. You've proved that your nothing more than a child with this comment.

Conjuration is powerful regardless of level, the fact I have to explain that to you shows you don't understand or probably have even used destruction or conjuration.

My point about alchemy and 100% reduction wasn't in response to the OP, I was just stating that I don't use either and get along fine.

1. It's not about good English or not it's just that you should learn how to split up your sentences and texts.. English is for many people not the first language, including me, so mistakes are common. But as long as you split up your sentences your english can easily take some hits.

2. If you find destruction boring don't use it. Yes, I too think it should have a boost of some sort, but if you find destruction boring compared to archery... then just use archery.. its pretty simple.. I find crafting and Illusion boring so I never use it, that's how this game works. You use what you like, and you leave behind what you don't like...

EDIT: btw, bobjim123 I'm very curious of the way you handle Destruction

Exactly, I don't care about perfect grammar on a forum, but a block of text full of spelling/grammar mistakes is a joke.

I'll send you a message tomorrow regarding destruction, I'm too tired now to do it .

Destruction makes me cry past lv40+..... Especially since enemy Mages seem to do more damage with their spells then me.

Destruction is pathetic and its funny how there are no improvements for it in Dawnguard.